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May 21, 2008

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I'm anxious to see how Ferrari, Ochoa, and Dalby perform.

I haven't seen Ferrari since the U-20 Championships, while it has been difficult to follow Ochoa and Dalby's progress.

Beat these turkey's!

The YNT blog has the lineup as a 4-3-3:

Ochoa ------- Ferrari ---------- Ashe
-----Nguyen - Feilhaber - Dalby
Wagner - Brunner - Valentin - Leathers
---------------Cervi

If Brunner gets a deal overseas, good for him.

If another MLS team wants to sign him, we'll get something out of it.

The pay for developmental players is disgusting, and I'm glad Brunner stood up for himself, even if it's not good for my team. It's kind of hard to complain about the RBNY defense right now, even if they did let a promising player go.

EVERY team in MLS screws their developmental players. It's not a problem specific to NY.

Cervi with an ugly spill of a routine save? Man, he did it against Honduras but I would have never guessed he'd do it against a good European team.

Thanks for the coverage Ives!

Wow, no kidding on the US center mids, I've been watching for almost 10 mins and didn't realize Feilhaber was playing.

Who is wearing #10 for the US? I like his creativity.

#10 would be Benny Feilhaber.

10 is Feilhaber, to answer my own question.

The lack of team chemistry is evident....understandable, but frustrating to watch.

Ochoa has looked pretty bad this first half in my opinion...way to many loose passes and lost possession. Of course, that could be said for just about everyone on the field.

Feilhaber has not yet broken a sweat!
Ives am I watching the same game? He looks incredibly sluggish.

No one covering the middle...this game is going to get real ugly in the score line.

I agree with Ives. Feilhaber has been one of the only bright spots (if you can even call it that) this half for the US. The defense, especially the CBs are completely outmatched, as is Dalby at this point. Ferrari has had some good touches but he's getting little no help from Ochoa.

This is embarassing to say the least.

Well... This is fun.

More good stuff from Feilhaber. I don't know what Derby was thinking, I swear he looked like an actual player when he did make the pitch.

Who gave Sahin that look on goal? I think Feilhaber closed in to help the RB defend, leaving Sahin wide open for that look on goal.

Yeah Ives but the UEFA U-21 rules allow for players to by like 23 at the time of tournaments...I mean Scott Carson was in goal for England last summer at the U-21 tournament and he's 23 or 24. The teams are roughly the same ages but appearently miles apart in their ability to play the game.

I guess Freddy is gonna get alot of playing time in these friendies, cuz he hasn't played in forever, you woulda thought he'd be in Toulon.

Bottom line at this point. Turkey is hella good and the USA is not.

Great example in the 45th minute. Ferrari has the ball on the sidelines and he is losing it to two defenders. You look up at the box and there is Ochoa with 4 defenders and no white shirts...here come Feilhaber at a trot, way too late if Ferrari had broken through. No help from mids at ALL!!!!
Clearly this team shows the lack of any cohesiveness five days of practice can provide.

The U.S. looks like a team that hasn't played together at all. Ferrari looks like the only player with a shot to make the Olympic roster. Feilhaber had a couple of nice moves but has given the ball away with some poor decisions. I think Bob Bradley would have a difficult time justifying bringing him in with the full USMNT.

You can watch the game on http://channelsurfing.net/.

It should be noted that this is a full strength Turkey team. That's not meant to be an excuse or take away from their dominance, but it's true. Of course, many of the names out there for USA have been glorified by many as the future of the USMNT so it's not exactly like US is fielded scrubs either.

Brutal. Good for Feilhaber and Ashe.

2nd goal was bad defending and even worse goalkeeping....it was near-post

Cervi has looked decent after spilling an early ball. Interesting to note that Feilhaber and Cervi are both on the 22-man roster for the England game. Despite the appreciation for Feilhaber from Ives and a few other posters, I think Benny has been pretty average today. Some exceptional moves but a few terrible giveaways that put the team in poor positions.

I rate Peter Nowak very low as a coach. He was an awesome player, but man he sucks as a coach. Olympic qualifying case in point-and his arrogance after such a torrid display by the US was really infuriating.
No reason w/ the players we have on the pitch to be sucking like this. Three players w/ first team caps.

He did well at DC United. Certainly much better than Soehn

Dave,

Without watching the game I agree. I don't like Nowak either. Great players do not always make good coaches. Guy is too set in his ways and doesn't adapt to his team or opponent.

Whoops! I left to stick my head in the oven. Any subs? Sure hope so, especially on the backline.

Anything happening?

58' Ochoa rolled in a bad cross when he should've shot

GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!

60' goal corner kick, header by by Brunner

who

OUCH. Brunner scores for US then gets burned on the restart, it's now 3-1

61' Turkey get one right back due to poor poor defending and once again, bad judgement by the keeper

Cervi is terrible...no wonder he doesn't have a club. That was pathetic,.

Boy, that was unecessarily quick coming back at us...

AAAGH!! I was so happy to see Brunner score, and then clusterf*** at the other end to give the lead back to Turkey.

Brunner??? I hope Red Bull is watching. Cheap .$$ suckers..

Brunner is a nice guy; glad he got the goal. thought the keeper should have stopped his shot.

Yeah he did well at DC. Gotta give him credit for that. Perhaps not as well as he should have however w/ the squad that he had.
Same argument could be made for this team as we qualified for the Olympics.
With the quality we have at this level, simply achieving that objective is not enough, this is the level where we need to be developing the creativity and adventure needed to make the US as real force on the world stage, not an occasional cinderella story.
His tactics in the qualifiers were AWFUL and more than that, as in this game, the players literally looked like it is their first time playing together-NO fluidity or cohesion at all. really pisses me off.
The U-17s play w/ more class than Nowak's squad.

Please sub Cervi out...ugh.

I've got a provocative statement here:

The US youth sports focus on "everyone gets to play" and "everyone learns to share" and "everyone is a good sport" severely hampers our ability to create a striker worth a crap. We coddle the kids too much instead of identifying the ones that can shoot, and encouraging them to do so, rather than framing them as 'ball hogs'.
If kids weren't stigmatized for shooting, and thereby scoring, maybe we could develop some strikers that hit more than the deck.

Yeah, I fel NOWAK was horrible on the tactics, squad selection and starting XI during the qualifiers. I think qualifying almost over-achieved fro the uS. N ot because the players aren;t good enough - they totally are - but because Nowak was so out of whack.

trying to follow on Slingbox at a conference where the entire freakin' room is on their laptops on the wireless network. How DARE they try to work while I want to watch soccer! Selfish ba****ds

Benny getting subbed, he's gimpy after getting knocked on his right knee by a Turk

Feilhaber limping off the field and looking hurt on the bench

So is Brunner as bad as it is sounding? He has a goal to his credit, but sounds to be the leading cause of letting two in!

Brunner also looking like he's a bit gimpy after a collision

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse...Benny injured to bench...

I like Shea. I saw him for 5 minutes a few weeks ago for FC Dallas and I thought his size & touch were very good.

I think Haig said it best, but I don't see how Boyens was/is a better option.

And yes, I know he won MLS w/ DC but look at the bs betw. him and Freddy Adu and all the other players that complained about him and his stupid methods.
Why is this guy managing arguably one of the US's most important developmental teams?
Brant, I sorta agree though I think it's a bit more complicated than that. We aren't going to develop a Zizou/Messi/Ronaldo type player until we modify and improve our youth system. It's more about establishing a fundamental foundation and knowledge of the game and then encouraging players to be creative and adventurous-ESPECIALLY AT THIS LEVEL. They have to be able to hit the back of the net, but they also have to have the ability and knowledge to get into space, to get into a moving position, etc etc.
I think the US need to offer Frank Rijaard 10 million a year to come coach our national team.

Anyone know if this is the first-choice team for Turkey? Clearly, it's our B-squad at best (and likely a bunch of borderline "C" players) so I would expect them to go down to a European "A" team. But 3-1 to someone else's "C" team sucks.

72' Ochoa with a rocket from the edge of the area....he did real well when he didn't have to think about it.

What a goal by Ochoa! 3-2

Tremendous volley by Ochoa... too bad he couldn't finish the gift earlier to make things even.

Sounds like we would be winning if not for Brunner & Cervi.

I love the way Nowak gets worse and worse as a coach as people suddenly realize how bad this team is. Yes, it's Nowak that makes Cervi suck. It's Nowak that makes Brunner suck. Every no talent bum on this team sucks because of Nowak. I feel pretty sure D.C. United would like to have him back now. As soon as he left D.C. started to suck. Maybe they should put Tom Soehn in charge and send Nowak back to D.C. Then you would really see how bad this team sucks. Did I mention this team sucks?

Take it back, I forgot Brunner scored one for us. Maybe just Cervi??

Rocco - not nearly that simple. The US has been completely outclassed, it's more that we've stolen 2 goals to still be hanging on here.

Eric - Ok. I'll watch in on DVR tonight, when I get home.

yep...technically the US squad isn't very good compared to the Turks....our passing and control isn't good

Brek Shea being insolent to the ref...he was being brought down by a Turk and the ref didn't call it his way....yellow?

Brek Shea with a breakaway, and he was pulled down from behind, no penalty

Shea should have done better with that chance.

How has Beltran looked?

@eric - "it's more that we've stolen 2 goals to still be hanging on here" - That is Mexico's favorite line to use against us when we beat them.

But you are right, we have been completely outplayed. I'd say we only stole one goal, when Turkey's keeper should have held Brunners ball.

The most telling moment of the disparity in class was giving up the goal immediately after Brunner scored. We need more discipline in the "concentrate for the full 90 minutes deparment".

if beltran is #7, he's been one of the better players for the US in the 2nd half....he's got some good technical ability

I'll go with stolen one goal, the US has looked good the last 15 mins or so, whenever Hill came on. Makes Ochoa's goal look less flukey. Turkey is massively talented, but they are coming unhinged with some good pressure from the US.

Cervi just looks a bit too tentative...this doesn't mean that he can't develop...but he's got some work to do

If Shea looked that good, I guarantee a European team will come calling FC Dallas in the next few months. Things that you cannot coach, size & speed.

92nd... running out of time...

My slingbox feed has slowed to a crawl... probably b/c the current speaker is a snoozer and everyone's surfing random websites instead of paying attention.
I'm hoping we can tie it, but expecting we don't...

Is Rossi playing for Italy in the 12:00 game? Anyone know?

That's it. Good 2nd half from the US, and that lapse in concentration in the 59th on the restart kills what would have been a nice comeback.

There is even plenty of room to lament a shoulda-coulda-woulda penalty on Shea late.

Shea looked good, decent technical ability, but his center of gravity is a bit too high...he needs to get more core strength

I wouldn't say the 2nd half went that well....when it got to 3-2, there should've been more of an attack on goal, but we really didn't get off a good shot

top two or three standouts for US? thx for the commentary

Nice to see an 18 year old outplay 22 year olds...USA has some work to do...and Sahin will be a future premiership player someday i think.

the 18 year old being brek shea

On the first goal, was the Turkish player offside?

Love Ochoa's blast.

I thought Brek Shea did well. Also Kamani made a difference. Ochoa looked bad at first but got somewhat better in the second half. The defense did ok but Brunner looked shaky.

I would say Ashe (#16), Hill (#7) and Shea/Feilhaber (since neither played the whole match)...I personally liked Ashe's passing and crosses

Dan K- "USA has some work to do"

you do realize that these are fringe players at best... in all honesty i would be shocked to see many if any make the actual olympic squad....

personally i am not getting bent out of shape by these results.... this tourny is nothing more then Nowak getting a last chance to look at some possibles before making his decisions....

and anyone worried after watching this tourny should have their brain checked... this is a bunch of young players who've never played together and are expected to be some dominating force?? team chemistry makes a HUGE difference...

The following are my hodge-podge of thoughts on today's match...

Considering the fact the full team just got together two days ago, a 3-2 score against a pretty good Turkish team isn't so bad.
Though the first half was very, very bad for the U.S. Turkey was playing like it played together forever. Sahin, of course, came into this tournament as one of the top 3 players in the entire field. But Hurmaci showed some great skill. And the entire Turkish team was always 1-2 plays ahead of the U.S.

The U.S. just couldn't find any cohesion in the eraly going, which is expected after getting together just recently.

Cervi was very shaky in the first half and had some ugly moments in the second. I'm led ot believe Nowak and Bradley are giving the kid his chances because he's out of contract and want him to show his skills so he can finally sign on with a team. But not sure if this game upped his "signability" any. Still would like to see Seitz in there.

Ochoa's touch isn't all too great besides that blast in the second half. Ferrari has shown he has some good ball skills.

The knee injuries Nguyen has suffered must have really regressed his play. But I won't go overboard about this match.

Wagner did some things well, but he doesn't have the pace or the anticipation you would like from a full back.

Obviously, this team isn't the top players in the pool but you would at least would like to see some good play and players step up to add more depth to the US system.

Everything was lacking in the first half. Really, the game should have been a tie if Ochoa was able to put away that gift in the first half. But the US team was very slow in the first half. The spacing, vision, passes needed were lacking.

Turkey came out well in the second half but just not as good as they were in the first half. But after finding it so easy in the first half, they might have put on the brakes in the second allowing the U.S. to get back into the game a little bit.

As for the rest of the tournament, hopefully Feilhaber is OK to go but I won't be surprised if he's held out because of the injury. Plus, he's on the roster for the England friendly.

But Hill and Shea need to be in the starting XI for the rest of the tournament. And Nowak needs to change the formation somehow so that the spacing, overlapping runs, runs toward goal are better.

I wrote up some player rankings for this game - love to know what anyone thinks. e-mail me at andrewwinner@gmail.com. Here's the URL:

http://www.soccer-training-info.com/u_23_player_rankings.asp

YYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAA


TURKEY 4ever


You guys cant compete.... Turkiyem supersin!

I'm glad Brek is getting an opportunity to shine. I predicted he would be the Rookie of the Year in one of the previous SBI threads....but then FC Dallas hasn't played him at all. From what I read on the FCD blog during the pre-season he did really well against some Brazilian club teams during their south american tour. I hope he and Hill get more time during the next game.

Ozan9067- congrats on beating a bunch of players who are on the fringe of making our olympic side... a full U23 roster wouldve proven something completely different... thats like bragging you just beat a reserves side...

yeah

Turkey as well played without key U21 PLAYERS


Turkey U21 beat USA U23... arda - mevlut - kazim kazim - burak yilmaz - ugur ucar are all U21 stars of Turkey that didnt play

so dont talk about reserves when Turkey were playing with bench players led by a 19 year old who destroyed team USA

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