Honduras grabs late winner after outplaying flat USMNT in HEX opener

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By FRANCO PANIZO

The performance was underwhelming. The result was even worse.

The U.S. Men’s National Team got off on the wrong foot in their first game in the final round of CONCACAF World Cup qualifying on Wednesday afternoon, putting forth a flat performance en route to suffering a 2-1 loss to Honduras in hot and humid conditions at Estadio Olimpico Metropolitano in San Pedro Sula.

Clint Dempsey intially put the Americans up in the first half of their Hexagonal opener, but a spectacular bicycle kick from Juan Carlos Garcia and second-half finish from Jerry Bengtson saw a lethargic U.S. side surrender its lead and suffer its first ever loss in Honduras in World Cup qualifying

After a slow start in which Tim Howard was forced to make a handful of saves, Dempsey gave the U.S. the lead when he got on the end of a chipped pass from Jermaine Jones and hit a one-timed volley over Honduras goalkeeper Noel Valladares in the 35th minute.

Los Catrachos negated Dempsey’s goal, his sixth in qualifying, and brought the home crowd back to its feet four minutes later. A ball was whipped in by centerback Victor Bernardez from the right flank and fellow central defender Maynor Figueroa chested it back across goal. Garcia, who is also a defender, took advantage of some lax marking and hit an overhead kick into the upper 90 that Howard could only stare at in frustration.

The game was even at halftime and though the U.S. improved in the second half, it was Honduras which continued to look the more dangerous side. A goal by Bengtson was correctly whistled for offside in the 56th minute, but he wound up netting the winner anyway.

After a through ball was slipped in behind Geoff Cameron, Oscar Boniek Garcia took advantage of Howard rushing off his line by playing a square pass to Bengtson. Omar Gonzalez, who surprisingly started in place of usual U.S. captain Carlos Bocanegra, reacted late and was beaten to the ball by the young Honduran forward who had an empty net to shoot at.

The Americans tried to push on for a late equalizer, but never found it. Gonzalez came close on the final play of the game, hitting a header that sailed high following a corner kick.

Now facing pressure to pick up points, the U.S. will next host Costa Rica at Dicks Sporting Goods Park in their second qualifier on March 22 before visiting Mexico at Estadio Azteca four days later.

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What do you think of the U.S.’s 2-1 loss to Honduras? What went wrong for the Americans? What needs to change by the time the next qualifier rolls around in March?

Share your thoughts below.

 

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314 Responses to Honduras grabs late winner after outplaying flat USMNT in HEX opener

  1. The Squad says:

    Honduras has a pretty good football team…

    Of course, playing at home in a crucial qualifying versus a would-be arch-rival does not hurt.

    The USMNT lost every foot race

    The USMNT gave the ball away in the middle of the pitch far too often

    Most “iffy” possession-related calls went the other way.

    Its early….

    • BillyFunf says:

      Aside from a few poor individual performances, which undoubtedly there will be a few every game, this loss really came down to tactics and squad selection.

      1. Why do we consistently play with no wide players? Our lack of width kills us. We cant counter, because there is no one there to run into open space. We cant keep possession, because all of our midfielders are standing next to each other and are covered by 1-2 players. We have no speed. I understand our best wide players were not available today, but consider with whom Honduras dominated the flanks. Mario Martinez (who isnt a consistent starter with the sounders) and Garcia (who is a very solid MLS player). Neither should be feared.

      2. We cant continue to put central (usaully defensive) midfielders on the flanks. Jermaine Jones isnt a wide player. Dempsey will always drift inside (where he is best) and shouldnt be relied upon to provide width. Klejstan is a right footed central midfielder who lacks pace and should never be put on the left wing. Eddie probably had the best wide play today (cross the Jozy in the 1st), but he spent most of his time inside.

      3. Why doesn’t Jermaine Jones play the no. 6 for the US? I understand that he brings a bit of skill into the final third (see today’s assist), but why not let him play where he plays for Schalke? He might be the most athletic guy on the field and would absolutely destroy opposing midfields. He would be the best d-mid in concacaf. This would solve the edu/williams debate, by placing both on the bench. Bradley and Dempsey could play centrally and push forward. This would allow two actual wide players on the pitch.

      4. We lost to a largely MLS side today. 4 European based starters. One was Costly, who flamed out with the Dynamo. One was Espinoza, who just transfered to Wigan. While this team is talented, surely the US has a group of MLS guys to counter. Wouldnt seattle rather have Zusi play on the flanks over Martinez? Doesnt Brad Evans anyway? Wasnt Brad Davis the Houston team MVP? DeLeon, Pontius, Gatt > Martinez?

      5. Beating the dead horse, starting Gonzo in SPS over Boca was a bad idea. Especially when you consider Chandler was going into his first real cap as well. To me, Chandler was a nightmare defensively. Out of position, getting beat 1v1, and failing to make a mark offensively. The first time I noticed Danny Williams today was when he almost got kicked in the face by the man he was marking on the first goal. The second was when he was subbed off.

      • CroCajun1003 says:

        Wonderful observations.

        My only addition is about Chandler and F. Johnson.

        We all salivated before the game about the potential of bombing runs forward from our two wing backs, unfortunately we didn’t see a single run forward from the backs that I can recall. Almost as if they were asked not to make those runs.

        The lack of width these guys provided insured that our formation was not going to work.

        This compiled with the bad ball breaks and the utter lackadaisical malaise that covered the entire team was our downfall.

        Hopefully the funk doesn’t follow us to the next game. Hopefully we stick Jones at the 6 and start asking our players to do things they’re more naturally capable of doing. Hopefully Landon comes back.

    • DC Josh says:

      “It’s early…”

      Yep. It cuts deep to see my beloved US of A sitting at the bottom of the Hex standings all by themselves. But, just like the English Premier League, the cream will rise to the top at the end of the Hex.

      At least we did not tie Jamaica at home without scoring a goal, like Mexico did.

  2. Spencer says:

    we desperately need wide players

    • Josh says:

      Zusi should have started. He’s the only one who seems willing to go and stay wide. Eddie Johnson in that spot was a terrible idea. He essentially clogged the middle and left the left side empty.

    • NCred says:

      On a pitch as narrow as that one, there’s not much benefit to having wide players.

    • bizzy says:

      Valladares plays for Olimpia (HON)
      Peralta plays for Vida (HON)
      Bernardez plays for San Jose Earthquakes (MLS)
      Figeroa plays for Wigan Athletic (EPL)
      J.C. Garcia plays for Olimpia (HON)
      O.B. Garcia plays for Houston Dynamo (MLS)
      Garrido plays for Red Star Belgrade (SERBIA)
      Espinoza plays for Wigan Athletic (EPL, just left MLS)
      Martinez plays for Seattle Sounders (MLS)
      Bengtston plays for New England Revolution (MLS)
      Costly plays for Veria (GREECE)
      There comes a time when the its not the players to blame its the coach and this time it all falls on Klinsmann. Look at where the majority of their players play…..MLS, in Honduras (which is a weaker league than MLS), and wigan Athletic…….When our coaches put together a team with a majority of MLS players we call it a C team but look at the team that convincingly beat us. The problem is our coaches select based on where you play rather than your skill set or how you play. The funny thing is most of their players won’t even make the USMNT A team under a Klinsmann type coach.
      This issue is not a matter of “not having” quality players…its a matter of selecting the right players for the Job at hand. Our central/south American pool of players alone play in a better league than most of the players on the Honduran side. The reason they beat us is that they have a GOOD COACH. We go in with the same players (with no individual skill or creativity), same formations, hold a 3 week camp and only select a few players that participated……and expect different results?

  3. HoboMike says:

    One result. One bad result. But this makes Costa Rica a must win.

    The lack of dead-ball providers really hurt us.

    • Doc says:

      We had so many guys in the lineup that are good at getting onto set pieces but no one to deliver them.

  4. JD says:

    Atrocious.

  5. Chad says:

    Team USA lacked motivation…that simple. Countless times during the game, US players were standing around while the Hondurans hustled. Standing….waiting for passes…poor clearances…it goes on and on.

    This was a tough loss…particulary to see such strong talent not playing to their ability. Hopefully, they wake up.

    • Tony in Quakeland says:

      Lacked motivation? How about lacked clarity? Lacked tactics. Some many times guys were looking around because they didn’t appear to have any clue what to do.

      They were standing around because they are a poorly coached team without a vision. The irony of your comment is that motivational speeches is ALL the Klnsmann brings…

      • kb says:

        Wow. Can you say casual soccer fan? It was clear that they weren’t hustling. Bad tactics had nothing to do with it, unless JK was hoping that Honduras would wear themselves out.

        • Tony in Quakeland says:

          Wow. Can you say club coach and former high school player? Look at a replay of the first Honduras goal some time, and see how many guys were looking around and over the shoulder because they clearly had no idea what to do or who was covering where? You can see Cameron, for one, look for the wing to cover the ball that bounced into the corner….but no one is there, because all three holding mids pinch in and Eddie Johnson is not a wing. he doesn’t have the instinct to know where to be on plays like that. The motivation is an excuse. This is a very poorly coached team that has no clarity about tactics.

      • Chad says:

        They didn’t know what to do? Are the children who are just learning how to play? Clarity? How about they use their ability and run for a ball.

    • Spectra says:

      How about creativity and going at defenders. All we do pass back and forth or long ball it

  6. HoboMike says:

    Was it me, or was Bradley the only one remotely close to game shape?

    • Dugas says:

      He always is.

      • kb says:

        Remotely close? More like a different planet. His teammates were huffing and puffing 2 minutes after the first whistle.

        • CroCajun1003 says:

          He was one of the few players actually player his position with a clearly defined roll.

          The rest of the players seemed to have no idea what their rolls were.

    • biff says:

      Are you kidding? I agree that MB has been playing well for Roma. He had a few good moments against Honduras, but overall he had a bad day, he must have passed the ball directly to a Honduras player at least four times. And defensively he was getting beat bad.

      • FGB says:

        Yeah MB did have a bad game, lot of turnovers, bad passes generally.

        And he was still one of our better players.

    • Brolo says:

      Never seen professionals so out of shape. Terrible subs by Klinsmann, and can Klinsmann just understand that Jozy is not got for USA. Lazy

      • kb says:

        Altidore at least applied pressure to the ball twice. I can’t believe I’m saying that was a USMNT highlight. Pressuring the damn ball. And by the way, he never even won it. Yet, that was still a highlight if you subtract Bradley (always a rock) and Dempsey (not much else besides a shot) from the equation. It was that bad.

  7. biff says:

    Jozy tried to be active, which is one of his hallmarks, and he saw some chances, but he failed to convert yet again and a player who is trying to erase the stigma of being unable to score for the national team absolutely needs to finish chances, and even convert a half-chance or two. Why didn’t Herc Gomez get the start? Why wasn’t Terrence Boyd called up?

    Jozy has now gone 14 USMNT games without scoring a goal (excluding a penalty kick goal in November 2011 against Slovenia). Jozy is great at the club level, but he has lost whatever he once had to be able to score internationally. Klinsmann needs to bring someone in who can score.

    • Spencer says:

      not sure he had a chance, he had a very slight one but that was it

    • Lake says:

      Thank you. Couldn’t believe he wasn’t subbed for Gomez. Obviously doesn’t fit JK’s system. It’s like he just waits for service and that’s it. Clint is proactive. Jozy is not. And he lost a footrace early on that Gomez wins.

      Yet again, Jozy fails to show up for the national team…

      • Brolo says:

        Couldn’t believe EJ came off instead of Jozy

        • biff says:

          agreed. atrocious subbing today, but pulling Eddie Johnson was the worst. Jozy should have come off–actually at half time.

          • Josh says:

            Disagree. If you want Jozy out fine, but Johnson was worthless in that position. He can’t play midfield and he can’t play wide. Clogged the middle to often for the guys who make plays

        • FGB says:

          Johnson got too cute with stuff, I’m guessing trying to show that he belonged back on the international stage. This was not the game for overdribbling, stepovers, crap like that.

          He should be making run after run behind the defense instead of trying to beat players directly on a bumpy field.

          He was only slightly more effective than Jozy, with four times as many touches.

      • Amru says:

        You seem to assume that JK actually has a legit system. Not one game under him have the midfield and forwards combined well

      • chris says:

        Klinsmann has a system???????? Are you that f*cking blind???? The only system JK has deployed is 3dm’s and no width there is no concievable way you could honestly think Jozy is the problem when the WHOLE team has lacked goals and there continues to be an atrocious lack of service

        • Lake says:

          Easy. You willing to say Jurgen just says “Go get open”? Obviously he has a system. It’s not working and he needs to switch something up to facilitate width. But Jozy was not proactive out there today. What I’ve seen from Herc is activity. I want him in the game before Jozy every time.

          • biff says:

            amen. going forward I also want to see Terrence Boyd

          • chris says:

            According to Phillip Lahm that is exactly what he does. If you want a player to run around with his head cut off then Gomez is your guy if you want someone who knows positioning and thrives off service than Jozy is your man. Its not like Jozy has never produced for the NT, he lead WQC in goals last cycle. This points to JK being the problem not Jozy especially when no one has stepped up to score goals.

            • biff says:

              No one has stepped up to score goals? Are you sure about that? Eddie Johnson scored two key goals in one game in october. Demspey scored five goals last year and one today. Gomez scored three goals last year and the list of players who scored in 2012 or this year goes goes on and on and you will not find Jozy’s name on it. Why were the other guys able to score and jozy not? Can you explain it?

              • kb says:

                Wow! 3 goals in one year! Against CONCACAF talent! And our world-beater with 5! Can you explain why I’m so damn sarcastic?

          • Tom says:

            He had a system. It was to hire Joachim Loew as an assistant.

    • HoboMike says:

      Biff, your prejudice against certain players is amazing. You hate Jozy and Chandler. You think Bradley gets a pass on everything and is immune to criticisms. Can’t you ever be practical?

      Jozy had one half-chance. That’s it. Can’t expect him to finish that.

      • JC says:

        Fact of the matter is, the whole team pretty much looked awful. I’ve been a Jermaine Jones supporter, but honestly, he was completely gassed by the 25+ minute. Nonetheless , it really isn’t fair to pin this loss on one or two players. Honduras wanted it more plain and simple.

        • CroCajun1003 says:

          And really, it’s hard to hate on Jones when he’s asked to play CAM. It’s not his fault he’s out of position.

          I’ve never been one to complain about coaching, and I more or less understand the thought process as to why Jones was where he was, but man, that was frustrating to watch.

    • MJC-DC says:

      Enough. Tell me a US forward that is regularly converting/creating chances in a red, white and blue jersey? For the record, I’d be fine with Herc up there starting/going 90. Are you really willing to say that this would have changed the outcome of the game?

      Look at the lack of width and service provided. Not many strikers thirve on a team that lacks an identity such as ours. Thats why I find your comment to be a supreme distraction. There are far more pressing needs to address, Klinsmann needs to create an identity, work on chemistry/dynamism in attack and cohesion in the defense.

      In short, this was a failure at the TEAM level and not a valid game to single out the striker (cf) as your are attempting.

      • Chris says:

        Exactly!

      • Lake says:

        Fair point, just wanted to see more activity out of him. I think having Gomez in there would have made a difference, yes. However, grass is always greener, hindsight 20/20, so I understand. Just my thoughts.

        • wfrw07 says:

          I know it’s tough to take one moment and apply it to a match. But I do remember one play in the first half where Honduras had a decent spell of possession, and Jozy tracked back past the 208208932 d-mids and took the ball from the Honduran player at the top of his defensive 18. Sounds pretty active to me.

      • biff says:

        Ha-ha-ha-ha, MJC_DC. Let’s hear the excuses for yet another dismal performance from Jozy. But when Wondo gets no service, usually in the last 10 minutes of games, with B- and C-team midfielders to provide lousy service, then it’s Wondo’s fault. Gimme a frickin’ break

        • HoboMike says:

          Biff, I seem to remember Wondo missing an open goal from 4 yards in the Gold Cup. Haven’t heard you mention that in…..ever.

        • MJC-DC says:

          You missed my point completely. Did you not read the part that said I’d be fine with Gomez going 90.

          My point was, our cf is not going to matter if we continue to play that way. I think your making excuse for the entire team, by throwing a few players under the bus.

          Instead we could focus on the midfield and defense and the single forward that klinsmann generally uses as a whole. Look at the way the TEAM played.

          For me, I’d like more width (via fullbacks or playing true wingers). Personally, I want chalk huggers. Make a tough decision in CM (I want two of Jones, Bradley, Williams or Edu … you could include other like minded players if you want) and then take a chance with a more offensive CM. Work on identifying the best CBs. You see what I’m getting at? This is a team game, a team effort and after performances like today your type of comments are detrimental to what really matters. Establishing better chemisty, cohesion and confidence within the limits of our pool.

    • Rich Sturdevant says:

      I have to disagree. Jozy’s one chance could barely be called even a half-chance. He had absolutely no service today. No balls played into channels for him to run to, no accurate crossing of any kind. Jozy’s been in great form for club, but at club level he gets chances in games to score. One problem today is that our midfielders were holding onto the ball too long and not making the through pass when the opportunity was there (albeit they were very brief opportunities).

    • Cairo says:

      IF we had saved a sub, i would have liked Gomez to replace Altidore. This is not all on Altidore, but i also do not think he is not our best option up tere. Prefer Gomez and Wondo, who hustle and scrap for 90 minutes. We need to stop bagging on Wondo, whose run without a goal for Nats is absolutely dwarfed by Jozy’s. Even Herc has only two goals with the Nats (one on a freekick that should have been saved) in a gazillion more minutes…with the first team.
      The problem is creativity, and we do not have any. Can’t someone kidnap Freddy Adu and reprogram him? He is the only guy in the pool who shows any artistry. It’s so depressing. Will go back and watch U-20 highlights vs. Brazil (again) to make myself feel better. Sigh…

    • Tony in Quakeland says:

      Laying this defeat on Jozy is borderline insane. He’s not the one who created a line up with no service, no width and no attacking pressure. This game is 100% on the coach. It was horrid

      • beachbum says:

        agreed Tony

      • slimkid32 says:

        I don’t believe anybody really feels that Jozy is to blame for the loss. I do however believe he is poor on the national level. He plays extremely well for his club in a league that is not known for its tough defenses. Not to say that we did not have other problems, but Jozy was definitely one. Some people are quick to jump to his defense claiming poor service is to blame. Goal scorers find ways to get the ball, constantly moving, making runs, dropping deep etc. Jozy lacks the off the ball movement needed to be successful at the international level. And unfortunately isn’t really something you can teach. Most successful goal scorers at this level just have that knack for getting open; it’s instinctual. Lack of service at first glance seems the culprit for the offensive woes but I would suggest that it is actually the lack of movement off the ball is mainly to blame. To suggest that our mids can’t get our forwards the ball seems a bit absurd given MB and JJ play on good teams in top leagues and have no problem contributing offensively.

      • Chad says:

        What a crock, laying all the blame on Kinsmann is moronic.

      • ronniet says:

        @tony, clearly you hate klinsy for whatever reason and maybe bc he’s not american but come off of the everything is his fault bc its not……the majority of those starters play at big clubs in europe and you mean to tell me klinsmann needs to hold their hand throughout the match for them to understand what their roles and jobs are???? Gimme a break they didn’t want like honduras did and clearly some of our better playerd weren’t in form bc of lack of games fue to injury or susendions. Edu should have started from the beginning and maybe castillo and torres as well…JJ nor fabian were at their best and yeah kinsmann should have know that but he took a chance with the best 11 in his mind and it didnt work….clint was awful besides the goal and bradley looked fit but gave us nothing creatively..the backline continues lump balls forward but thats not on klinsmann, they need to show more composure and the middies need to show for the ball in open spaces…this lost comes down to the players…plain and simple

  8. 5280 says:

    It’s going to be such a disaster if the U.S. fails to qualify for the World Cup. If that happens, it’s going to set soccer in this country back to the stone ages. Needed at least a point here. CONCACAF is tough. Hard to imagine this team getting any points out of Mexico, and more than one against Honduras. Every other game’s gonna have to be a victory.

    • HoboMike says:

      Christ. It’s one game. The US lost 2 last cycle and finished first.

      • 5280 says:

        It’s more than one game. This configuration of the USMNT lately is the least impressive squad than the hapless fellows who were sent to the ’98 World Cup, in my opinion.

        • kb says:

          You’re both right. It’s one game, but damn we looked bad. I would rather lose and play good, than win and play like this. It leaves little hope for the future.

        • HoboMike says:

          No, it’s not. It’s one game. Against an underrated foe. Away. When our guys were jet lagged.

          I’m not making excuses. But those who think we’re not making it need to slow their roll a bit.

          • 5280 says:

            I didn’t say the U.S. wasn’t going to make it. I was pointing out what a disastrous situation it would be if they didn’t. Which is what could happen if they keep playing this way. No World Cup means at least 8 years until the next time the U.S. plays in the one event that really galvanizes casual and otherwise-uninterested fans in the United States. A missed qualification erases all the progress made since 1994.

            • foooo says:

              are you freaking kidding me? failing to qualify erases all progress since ’94?
              erases MLS?
              erases the record number of Americans playing in top leagues?
              erases the supporters US and MLS supporters groups?
              erases the fact that there’s more soccer on TV in the U.S. than ever before?

              Please, lay down the pipe and join us in reality.

              • thisisphil says:

                Actually he’s not that far off. casual fans jump on the bandwagon once teams win big. Sports become big time in this country because of casual fans. While geeks like us will follow this team thru thick and thin, getting into to the final 8 or 4 of the world cup will be the tipping point for this sport becoming mainstream in the USA. Until then it’ll be more of the same slog of inches we’re currently in. I’m not saying we’ll be pre 1994, but we lose a lot of momentum that we would otherwise gain.

          • natsalways says:

            I like this. The U.S. always plays better with an extended camp behind them. Watch them take both the games in March….but this does make Costa Rica almost a must win.

      • Lassidawg says:

        A tie at Honduras or Mexico would be a bonus.
        Win the home games and take points from other 3 us will be fine.
        It was one game in hot weather.
        We will start 1-2 and still make it easily, remember it is 10 games

      • JC says:

        Hobomike:

        We understand it’s one game. The problem is that while the next one against CR is at home, we gotta play Mex at Azteca and Jamaica in their stadium. That means this next game is a must win. It would be a horrible situation to go into Jamaica with 1 or 0 points.

      • Dennis says:

        While I’m typing this, Mexico is failing to score against Jamaica and Jamaica has come very close a couple times. But I don’t think Mexico will lose more than 2 games this time around, but hey you never know!

  9. @Boriuano_10 says:

    So USA will not make it

  10. jon says:

    our guys looked so lethargic, it was like they were in azteca. I don’t really get it. Mid-80′s they should have been playing with more energy. They kept giving honduras’s players, offensive and defensive, acres of space and rarely contested the ball. I do not think this just comes down to one mistake by cameraon or gonzales (although it was a wopper) but just incredibly low energy all around. The result should have been closre to 3-1 or 4-1, and when the second goal came, it felt just — honduras deserved to win and we definitely deserved to lose.

    I thought edu was a nice sub, and injected some energy, but did not at all understand the subbing out of EJ. He seemed like the only offensive player plaing with any real energy and getting by guys and then was replaced by Kjestan, who was far less comfortable wide right. zusi was also useless. this game needed donovan – a guy who can run and make things happen on offense.

    Other than EJ, howard, at times bradley, and deuce for the finish, no one distinguished themselves at all.

    • Chad says:

      Exactly, we had little motivation/energy. It doesn’t matter who you put in, what formation, who is coach…blahblahblah. Without energy…they are hopeless.

    • slimkid32 says:

      Agreed. It was amazing to see our inability to apply any pressure to the ball. Felt that lack of pressure is what led to both goals. Just didn’t seem like anybody wanted to stop the ball, until Mo came on. He was flying around like Danny Williams was supposed to.

  11. Brad says:

    It was actually worse then described in this article… We looked awful. Klinsmann needs to be questioned about that line up he put out there… In particular starting Danny Williams, and Omar Gonzalaz. Second goal was all Omar’s fault…

    • Chris Whyte says:

      I know my feed was crappy, but it looked to me like Cameron and Howard were both more at fault than Gonzalez for the second goal.

      • kb says:

        It was a team effort, and a team mistake. Honduras didn’t need that goal to prove that they dominated the game. We looked like it was too hot for a soccer match.

      • Brad says:

        Must of been your feed… Omar didn’t complete his run and his man finished on a wide open net…

      • RB says:

        Sounds like a really crappy feed, then, as Gonzalez was quite arguably most at fault for that goal. Looked completely lost even in a CB position…

      • H-Town says:

        Your feed must have been crappy.

      • Dave says:

        +1 TH and GC are more at fault than OG.

      • Zac says:

        They were not more at fault. Gonzo stopped running like he thought he was alone, that’s what allowed his man to score. Both Howard and Cameron had blame on the goal though.

      • Cairo says:

        No one distinguished themselves on play, but Omar really messed that one up. Hope he bounces back…

      • slimkid32 says:

        All three are partially to blame but it all started with Garcia(I believe) marauding down the middle of the field as the American mids and fullback looked on as he played the through ball into the box. Not a single player tried to stop the ball.

    • MLSsnob says:

      Who looks back when there’s a loose ball in the goal mouth?

      • Chris Whyte says:

        This is what I did not see during the feed. Looked at the youtube clip later and Omar clearly was in a good position to clear away the ball, makes a horrible mistake of looking back instead of just clearing it, and gets beat. I stand corrected. But, Cameron should have been able to handle the ball to Boniek Garcia and Howard should have done much better.

  12. Dimidri says:

    Edu, Howard, Dempsey and Bradley all had ok to above average games. Everybody else was extremely poor.

    Think about it-we could seriously not qualify for the World Cup. That’s insane.

    Landon, Dolo, and Boca were dearly, dearly missed. Atrocious.

    • biff says:

      +1 on all but Michael Bradley. he is playing well for Roma, but I thought he had a below average performance today, threw the ball away several times directly to Hondurans and weak on defense.

      • Evan W says:

        Not to mention his poor free kicks.

      • Dennis says:

        I agree Bradley did not play as well as he usually does, but I can think of no US player who had a better game overall. Howard made saves he was supposed to and he and Cameron conspired to generate the 2nd Honduras goal.

    • ChiTim says:

      Howard doesn’t get any blame for the second goal? It looked like Cameron slowed up. If he comes out he has to win that ball regardless of where Cameron is. Howard is a fantastic keeper but shouldn’t get a free pass on this one.

  13. JoeDirt says:

    Most of our players came off short weeks playing in their respective leagues. With the short turn around, long flights, home crowd and refs giving the benefit of the doubt on most 50/50 calls, I wasn’t surprised to see JK pack it in in the second half. Tough result.
    However, it was strange not to see any late subs to freshen the legs. We needed someone creative on the outside. If we can’t provide service to Jozy, we need to play Gomez who’s more willing to run the field.

  14. biff says:

    Timothy Chandler the — ahem — world-class right back whose better than — heh-heh — Steven Cherundolo. We just gotta have him–NOT! Chandler has been mostly average or worse so far this season for Nurnberg, and he sukked big time today. Please, can we give Lichaj a look or let a guy like Michael Parkhurst who played his heart out for the shirt last year in WCQ and always put in steady performances. Oh wait, I forgot, they weren’t born in Germany so they can’t be nearly as good as Timmy C.

    • ilikefreddyyesadu says:

      +1 I am so tired of seeing Germans who don’t bleed red, white, and blue put in dismal ho him performances. Williams, Chandler, FJ, & Jones all started in a hostile environment and outside of Jones, they did nothing positive. Dempsey, Howard, and Bradley showed urgency but our captain watched from the bench. Gomez would have worked his tail off and should have started unless he is injured. Sacha and EJ are not wings! We need Landon and Brek.

  15. Monty says:

    Wasn’t able to see the match but, the result isn’t surprising. This was our second toughest away fixture of the Hex. But, this means a win versus Costa Rica is paramount.

  16. Eric says:

    At least we know now Gonzo is not ready before its too late. He didn’t complete one pass, gave possession away constantly, and ball watched on the last goal. All together the defensive was just sloppy. Bradley and Klejsten gave the ball away too many times as well. This just looks like a team with no heart no leader. Missing Boca and Donovan and we need someone like an Adu to hold the ball and break down defenses. Don’t care if Adu doesn’t play defense. We’ve been inconsistent for years now.

    • ilikefreddyyesadu says:

      +1. Adu provides width, speed, creativity, possession, and service. Mexico Gold Cup final is a great example of what we are missing from the likes of Landon & Freddy. It also serves as a reminder how much we missed ‘dolo (after he went down injured) that day and today.

  17. biff says:

    We need Landon Donovan back on the team and Klinsmann needs to do the right thing and repair the broken relationship that he seems to have with an American soccer legend and get Donovan back on board. Landon Donovan should be wearing the captain’s armband going forward just like he should have worn the armband in the Mexico friendly last August when Klinsmann gifted the captaincy to Tim Howard and Klinsmann needs to admit his mistakes and correct them.

    • Dulliwhig says:

      Everyone would love to have Landon back on the team. The reality of the situation is that Landon’s sabbatical has nothing to do with Klinsman.

    • OPMG says:

      One player doesn’t change that game, no matter who it is. The team as a whole looked awful and disjointed. Nobody knows what they should be doing. That’s not because we’re missing Donovan, that’s because we’re missing coaching. I’ve been firmly in the JK camp since he was hired, this is the first time I’ve questioned him but these bad performances are a pattern now instead of just “one game”.

      • kb says:

        I prefer JK and his potential over Bradley’s counterattack, but you’re right. Even the games we are applauded for (Mexico in Azteca) are terrible performances masked by a result. Hopefully this game lights a fire under our arses.

        • Dennis says:

          I continue to beleive JK’s actions do not match his words. He talks an attacking brand of soccer and then deploys 3 DMs (or at least 3 guys who are most comfortable playing in the middle with the ball in front of them). Also, the US backs Chandler and Johnson can each get forward and produce good service, since neither did, I can only surmise they were instructed to stay back in defense and not attack.

  18. Mike R says:

    Like I’ve said many times before, Omar Gonzalez is too slow for the intl. game
    Williams started even thou he sucked his last game and hasn’t been playing regularly for his club.
    I’m a Cameron fan but he doesn’t play cb enough at his club to play it for the Nats.
    0 offensive creativity.
    Four German Amercians… 3 better than anyone else we have avail at their positions (jones,chandler ,Johnson) and we still sucked.
    US program going down instead of up. That or everyone else is just passing us up.

    • slimkid32 says:

      Growing pains. I don’t see the program going downhill. Previous regimes did do much as far as player development, youth teams and such. Now we are stuck in transitions with a group of aging veterans and young talents. The older ones losing the speed of the game and the young guys, though talented, not ready for the international game. No one took the time to groom players to step in for our veterans when the time comes. I do believe this has changed with the JK regime and we are seeing better quality players coming up. I happen to believe the future is bright, even with the gloomy present.

  19. 2tone says:

    Both teams looked like poo poo platter. The USMNT continues to lack a killer instinct. They got the goal, Honduras was reeling, and what does the USMNT do; they sit back. They allowed Honduras to come back into the game. Instead of pushing on the accelerator they put on the brakes.

    I fully expect some changes in March. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Lando, Shea, Pontius, Holden, and Boyd called up for the March qualifiers. Bradley needs a partner who can see a pass, and that can take some of the load off of his shoulders in Midfield. That person is and will be Stuart Holden. I project that he will be back with the USMNT by March. The USMNT also needs more dynamic players and those players are Lando, Ponitus, and Shea. The USMNT also needs more up top, and my guess Boyd will see some time on the field in March. Jozy played alright at times, but man he still seems stuck in second gear with the Nats.

  20. Lake says:

    Ready to hear from all the Jozy-lovers after another no-show.

    • MJC-DC says:

      Ready to hear which striker in our pool would have made a difference in this game?

      • Lake says:

        Gomez. Boyd.

        • The B in Apt 23 says:

          Wrong. Just wrong. To begin with, neither of those two have proven otherwise. More than that, this loss was no more Jozy’s fault (and probably less than some) than any other player on the team.

          And second, Jozy is a scorer. Maybe he doesn’t fit the “system”, if by system, you mean a team that provides NO good service no matter who the forward is.

        • Jay says:

          What about a striker needing service don’t you understand. That’s like blaming a wide receiver for not catching the ball when he has awful qb. I mean come one be serious.

          • dslaskdfjklef says:

            Exaclty, Larry Fitzgerald is an incredible wide receiver, but the rest of the team is terrible so his stats arent that great. What could Jozy honestly have done today? Gomez has never even played that well I dont understand why people want him so badly

          • slimkid32 says:

            All of our “quarterbacks” play and start for their club teams in top leagues and are able to provide service there. At what point to go you start to look at the reciever? Larry Fitzgerald knows how to run crisp routes and read defenses to get open. Jozy has not figured those intricacies out yet.

      • biff says:

        Gomez and Boyd– or Eddie Johnson or Clint Dempsey

        The Jozy experiment is over. Next,

        • Josh says:

          The Eddie Johnson experiment ended years ago.

        • Jay says:

          Lol really Biff. Your putting the cart before the horse. You can’t expect these guys to do any better unless they get better service. We don’t have striker problems we have mid field issues. We have nobody who can pull the strings. We are built to be a counter attacking team as much as we don’t want to accept that. This creative soccer we want to play isn’t working. We just don’t have the players to make it work. We either adapt and adjust or continue to put a square peg in a round hole.

        • CroCajun1003 says:

          The Jozy experiment is over? Somebody tell AZ that.

        • slimkid32 says:

          I agree Jozy isn’t up to par, half the guyson this board could score in the Dutch league. Jozy has been around a long time but he is still only 23. Not done yet

  21. OPMG says:

    Massive disappointment. I don’t know of any other professional team that talks as much as this one about taking it to the other team and forcing opponents to adjust to them, and then go out and just play awful time and time again. It’s a level of self-unawareness that is baffling to me. Back it up at least once, that’s all I ask. It’s not like they were playing Brazil. Honduras is good, but no way we should be losing that game.

  22. Goalscorer24 says:

    So funny, everybody has been calling for the change of guard for Bocanegra on defense, and then when that is done, everybody says why did they start Gonzalez and not play Bocanegra.

    • Brad says:

      Gonzo is in his off season .. From MLS.. Give me the experience of Bocanegra any day of the week… Omar is a longterm solution, not an immediate one.

      Btw.. Chandler looked awful too.

    • Steve says:

      You know what, I follow the general sentiment around here pretty closely and I don’t think anybody has been clamoring for Boca to be replaced. They simply want a plan for the LCB position once his performances no longer meet the mark. Which may be sooner than we would all like. Nevertheless, agreed he was sorely missed today.

    • ArsenalFire says:

      This was not the time. At home, with a longer run in, then you make the change.

      • beachbum says:

        +1 and JK’s gamble failed

        JK talks about wanting to challenge players, but it’s his job to set them up to succeed, and he think he does a poor job of that so far too often

    • FGB says:

      This strawman, which has been advanced several times in the last two threads, is just so wrong.

      You can’t just proclaim “everyone has been wanting Gonzalez, it’s time for Boca to sit.” I read about 5 different minute-by-minutes for today’s game, and EVERY SINGLE ONE at the start of the match said something to the effect of “wow, I’m really surprised he’s not starting Boca. That seems like a questionable decision.”

  23. kevdflb says:

    All in all that went very well, didn’t it?

    Oh, Timmy Chandler is cap tied. As soon as he starts playing at Right Back we’ll be fine!
    He’s an unbeatable defender, you know.
    I hear he stopped an entire team once, by himself! From a wheel chair!

    Well, I hear he’s never once been megged by a back heel!

  24. Sunil Gulati needs to go says:

    Im already tired of this JK experiement. The team has looked so bad for too long. I highly doubt we finish in the top 3. There is no system. No cohesion. Nobody has any idea what their roles are if they have any roles. The team looks disinterested, no heart its just all around bad. 3 dms and no width is a recipe for disaster. Camreon’s not a CB. Chandler walks into this team like hes earned a spot and puts in a horrid performance while there are plenty of RB’s who would kill to get a chance to represent their country. Eddie Johnsons not a winger. Williams is awful. This team has taken 10 steps back since the world cup and its not looking like this team is improving. Its been a disastrous couple of years (u-20 qualifying and other youth tournies, Olympics, Gold cup loss, barely qualifying for the hex) and somebody needs to answer. Sunil needs to man up and realize his experiment has gone wrong and resign. US Soccer has regressed too much

    • MA1 Rodriguez says:

      Williams wasn’t that bad, I see Williams filling Sanneh-type of defender, but Chandler sucked as$. Basically, USNT plays with 3 holding midfielders and no real attacking flank midfielders.

    • Josh says:

      Of all of the overreactions on this board, calling for Sunil’s job is the most ridiculous

  25. MA1 Rodriguez says:

    I hate seeing both my “U’s” lose, but for USNT I continue to blame USSF. Gonzalez, Zusi, and Johnson weren’t fit for the game. Gonzalez never played with this group of defenders, he needed some games develop understanding. Also, we basically played one forward in most the game.

    • chris says:

      They just got done with a month long camp with JK, if theyre not fit its his fault for not noticing it or for his camp preperations

    • 2tone says:

      Are you talking about EJ? Because he was the only real threat in attack, and he consistenlty tracked back for Fabian when EJ was played at LW. EJ was fitter than most of the players.

  26. MA1 Rodriguez says:

    For most kraut kids never played under these conditions.

  27. Steve says:

    Two things to take away from this match:

    1) JK needs to practice what he preaches when it comes to performing at one’s best. You cannot hold your players to one standard and then make the same dog tactical decisions every match. He needs to own it to himself, and most importantly own the loss in front of the team. 3 mistakes just off the top of my head, bring some wide players this team it always plays too narrow, stop running out 3 DMs it never has looked good, and lastly, Gonzalez over Boca on the first match of the Hex, really?

    2) Landon, I know you don’t owe anything to anyone, but you let us all down by not showing up. Please be a grown up and support your fans and your country and get the h*** back on the pitch where you belong.

    Nothing more to say, it was so bad I don’t think there is even a point singling out the performances.

  28. ArsenalFire says:

    Other than the goal we had few passing moves designed to create a chance. The entire team seemed averse to taking any “risks” and they showed high degree of stagnation. When was Jozy supposed to score? My 52 year old body could stop him from scoring if the only attacking passes go to Mr badfirsttouch Zusi or come from the back 4.

  29. Jake says:

    Thought they looked asleep at the wheel through large portions of the match. They seemed sloppy in possession. Defense didn’t look sharp and I don’t remember seeing Chandler or FJ making great runs up the wings. Can anyone name me a single game where we have played well with Bradley/Jones/Williams or Edu in for Williams.

    I am guessing the game plan must have been to absorb pressure and then put in guys that are more forward thinking in the second half if needed??
    That sure didn’t work.

  30. MA1 Rodriguez says:

    Denmark had some friendlies, around the U.S. that actually helped some players with better fitness and understanding with each.

  31. master red card says:

    The US will qualify for the 2014 WC in Brazil. I predict the Hex will end like this:

    1. Mexico
    2. Honduras
    3. USA
    4. Jamaica
    5. Costa Rica
    6. Panama

    CONCACAF isn’t like Europe. The fields aren’t pristine and the facilities in the countries other than Mexico and the US are sub-par. All the people saying that we won’t qualify need to take a chill pill. The US has more than enough quality and mental fortitude to at least finish 4th (and Oceania teams, aka New Zealand, can be easily over powered).

    • Monty says:

      You are underestimating Costa Rica.

    • Steve says:

      Look, I think your general thought is right on. It’s not the end of the world. That said, JK cannot seem to come to terms with his tactical missteps. If JK does not figure it out, then the team that should otherwise not panic would be in serious trouble.

    • jon says:

      I ultimately agree with you – we will qualify. But they totally sucked today. Played without heart, energy, cohesion, comfort, or creativity. Hard to believe a team can have success in the world cup that puts on such a poor showing.

  32. fsljdf says:

    If you really watched the game at about the 75 min bradley looked slow and tired. Terrible sub with johnson coming off instead of jones. Chandler defended terribly, his give away ultimately led to the first goal. Shocked that Gonzalez even has to check over his shoulder to see if anyone is behind him when there is a sitting ball in the 6 with the goalie out. Get the F**K**G ball out

    • 2tone says:

      If one is going to comment about Chandlers give away for the first goal, then one has to talk about the shotty clearance by Bradley that led to Chandlers giveaway that resulted in a corner for Honduras which culminated with a Honduras goal.

      But I agree Chandler did not look good.

  33. biff says:

    Klinsmann’s coaching today was the worst yet. I am so sick and tired of three defensive midfielders from a man who promised us exciting attacking soccer. Please, can we have two DMs from here on out. I personally do not see either Jermaine Jones or Michael Bradley as attacking midfielders. Klinsmann is once again trying to put square pegs into round holes.

    Daniel Williams should not have started. Since before Christmas, he has only played 14 minutes for Hoffenheim. Today would have been a perfect opportunity for an in-form Jose Torres. And if not Jose, then Edu or Jones or Bradley could have played the position. Being forced to pull Williams at 57 minutes shows that his starting was a mistake.

    Bocanegra should have started. Herc Gomez, who proved himself last year as one of the most dependable guys on the team, should have started.

    And speaking of substitutions, why Kljestan? Zusi I can understand. Jozy should have been pulled. He was doing nothing constructive on the field and it would have been a perfect time to insert Herc Gomez.

    Anyway, this is the line-up I posted two days ago and I think this team would have won the game.

    ————–Eddie———-

    Dempsey—Zusi—–Herc

    ————–MB——————–
    ——————–Torres———–

    Fabian–Boca–Gonzales–Cameron

    • Evan W says:

      I agree with most of your post especially about the 3 defensive midfielders. One thing though, I know you aren’t a huge fan of Jozy, but I would still like to see him over EJ.

      • biff says:

        Hey, Ewan W. Actually, I am a huge fan of Jozy at the club level and I like him as a person. But he is not getting the job done in a US shirt and I have lost faith in his ability to score at the international level. I think EJ looked much better today than Jozy and I would have liked to see him at the point.

        Quick question, why would you still like to see Jozy play if he can’t score?

        • Evan W says:

          In my opinion he is our best striker. You are right that EJ was better today and Altidore wasn’t that great in 2012 but he only started 3 games for us last year. He is also only 23 years old. I feel like he has to much skill to give up on him. I too however would have liked to see Gomez come in for him.

          Also, I don’t get all the fuss about Bradley. Yeah he covers a lot of ground but he does not have the offensive ability to play that far up the field. He also made several poor passes and was beat a few times by Honduras.

    • Brad says:

      I agree.. Herc Gomez should of been in a gritty game like this…

    • HoboMike says:

      Biff, in one post you say Williams shouldn’t play because he’s played 14 minutes. In another, you want to see Parkhurst, who hasn’t played since he switched teams.

      So which is it?

    • that is your lineup that would have won the game for the USA vs Honduras…IN HONDURAS??? are you slow, clinically ill, 7 years old…or all of the above??? whos was going to do the heavy lifting in the midfield???…michael bradley by himself??? torres as the defensive midfield destroyer in front of the back line of four defenders???…he has never played that role before, not for his club teams, and definitley not for the NATS! GET A CLUE!

  34. Amru says:

    Explain to me how we have arguably the best group of players we have ever had and yet we still struggle against teams we should beat convincingly, not that Honduras is one of those teams.

    And for the people saying it’s just one game, how many times under klinsmann have we said the team looks lethargic, that there is no cohesion, that no one seems to know what their role is. Much of the blame has to fall at his feet and if we can’t beat costa rica at home I think we may need to make a coaching change.

    • mike says:

      We don’t have a creator in the midfield. We need someone to step up and make things happen in the final 3rd from the midfield. Dont see anyone who can do that in the pool right now. Hopefully a group with Stuart Holden, Landon Donovan, Brek Shea and Josh Gatt can do that going forward.

      Holden – should be game fit within another month most likely
      LD – Hope he realizes his country needs him and returns soon
      Shea – Hope within the next couple months he can start performing and attacking at an EPL level
      Gatt – maybe he is a bit of a stretch but he isn’t as young as Beasley or Donovan were when they terrorized the flanks for the US in 2001 – 2002. Hope he can break into the group soon.

      • Chocolate Cake says:

        We have no creative midfielders, and Bradley was passing the ball to Hondurans when we needed to equalize towards the end of the game. Do not name Torres either, he is not fit for national team play. Adu, is good, but he can’t even straighten out his pro career.

      • Amru says:

        Having Kljestan in the middle of the pitch would have been an improvement to Jones, who except for that lovely chip pass to dempsey, was useless in the attack.

        Also feilhaber is an attacking mid that probably would have had a good impact on the game.

  35. chris says:

    At least Egypt looked good

  36. fsljdf says:

    I hate ppl that know nothing about soccers posts. Your in an away game in 90 degree weather, why would you attack. Shut up you know nothing. Great job by Klinesman to sit back with d midfielders. Williams was subbed to get fresh legs on the field that could cover more ground. And by the way biff, you just made all your comments invalid by putting torres at d midfield you fool

    • Steve says:

      1. Said wonder theory did not produce a positive result.
      2. The team that chose to attack and control possession won today, and rightfully so.

      • fsljdf says:

        Pretty sure both teams played like crap…..thanks to the honduras federation. could’ve been a great game if it had been at night on a cut field

        • Steve says:

          I will give you that, I am so tired of these pitches being intentionally manipulated to produce awful playing surfaces. Concacaf needs to intervene. Looked like they were playing on shag carpeting. Awful.

    • biff says:

      Well, fsljdf. I guess you would prefer where Klinsmann played him once last year: Left Back. Is that what you want? If not, what position would you want Torres to play?

    • Conrad says:

      Despite the fact that he is a strong distributor, Francesco Torres is, in fact, a defensive midfielder.
      link to footballdatabase.eu

      • biff says:

        Conrad. Darn it. I wanted to see how he would answer the question.

        • fsljdf says:

          So your saying torres can sit in front of the two center back and scrap for balls, break up plays and be a true no. 6. sweeeeeet dude. maybe in mexico not at the international level.

  37. QuakesUK says:

    Omar Gonzalez always has been and always will be a first-rate prick. Shouldn’t be found within a thousand miles of the USMNT!

    • Chocolate Cake says:

      Omar was garbage, begging to be called up and doesn’t even belong on the national team. Our youth systems and development favor kids with money, and the youth coaches probably got their jobs because they watched a few EPL games or played college soccer which is like soccer hell.

    • Bo says:

      Spoken like a true Quakes fan! Bitter much?

  38. Chocolate Cake says:

    Personally, everyone on the field played terribly. It is not going to get any easier, Costa Rica is next and Ruiz/Saborio and co. are pretty decent finishers. Playing in Panama is not a cake walk either, and Jamaica can beat us as well if we play uninspired like the last time we palyed them.

    • mike says:

      It will clearly get easier. At San Pedro Sula is easily the 2nd hardest fixture of the 10. No doubt. Maybe at Estadio Saprissa.. but I dont think costa rica is as talented as Honduras this cycle.

      • Chocolate Cake says:

        Doesn’t matter CONCACAF away matches are not easy. Estadio Saprissa is not an easy plae to play neither is going to Panama or Independence Park. We are going to have to max it out at home for sure.

        • mike says:

          you said, “its not going to get any easier” – you’re saying everyone is equal? playing AT Honduras is without a doubt the 2nd hardest fixture the USMNT has in the hex…. I mentioned that Stadio Saprissa is also difficult but Costa Rica isn’t as talented.

  39. H-Town says:

    Dom Kinnear.

  40. Danny says:

    Looks like Klinnsmen (or however you spell his name) hasn’t earned anything from his players. I remember Bob Bradley getting lots of praise from his platers and everyone working their hearts out for him. Even Altidore. Klinnesman should maybe stop throwing everyone else under the bus (Dempsey, Chandler, Donovan, Altidore, Feilhaber, etc) and try to earn the respect of the players he has. Clearly they don’t have the heart, but under Bradley they did.

  41. MA1 Rodriguez says:

    Edu for Williams was logical, but Sacha for Johnson wasn’t, Altidore needed the extra forward draw some defenders out, instead, another midfielder.

  42. Chocolate Cake says:

    Costa Rica up next and Mexico in Azteca, play like today and get gang raped guaranteed.

  43. Chocolate Cake says:

    How many times have I read this title? We are excellent chokers indeed. Any major competition, Confederations Cup or Gold Cup we only play good from behind. This whole comeback kings nickname is crap.

  44. Kevin says:

    They need a true winger. Someone like Chris Pontius

  45. Dudester says:

    Who should we call in.Wingers that wont provide more than what was shown by Dempsey and EJ.Would Gatt and Bedoya have provided more. I dont think so, one(Bedoya)is not good enough the other(Gatt)is not ready.Maybe Feilhaber or Donovan.Other than that who would of provided a difference.We just don’t have the squad to boss Concacaf.Unlike Mexico whose players are suited to compete in this area.The USMNT is more suited to compete euro qualifying.

    • Chocolate Cake says:

      More suited for Euro qualifying, there is no way we’d handle the Welsh, Portuguese, Italians, Spanish, French etc..

    • slimkid32 says:

      Exactly , “needed width”, well wide players are either injured, not ready yet, or on sabbatical. “needed a creative MF”, well we do not have one and ones we do have are not ready to play at this level. Jk will get criticized for putting out the inexperienced Omar Gonzales, but I keep hearing cries for other guys with the same inexperience to get starting spots.

    • ChiTim says:

      Why isn’t Gatt ready? He has been playing professionally for a few years now overseas. You can either play or you can’t. Experience goes both ways. Too much can make you too cautious and too little can make you too reckless. I think the US needs more of that latter at this point.

      If we don’t think he is good enough I accept that but the kid is 22 years old and is a professional. Give him a shot.

  46. robo johnson says:

    this isnt a good result but… just need to finish in the top 3 or 4 out of 6… even if we tie costa rica i’m still not going to panic. not till june anyway…

  47. Mat says:

    And this proves once and for all that you need experience in the back. It’s not about who is the better overall player, it’s about who know the situation.
    A backline with Johnson, Cameron, Omar and Timmy, though promising talent wise, severly lacks any type of serious WCQ action. We missed Dolo for sure. Boca should have played. Edu or Gooch instead of Omar even would have been more prudent in this type of game. This USA team was too green too naive.
    But there are 9 more games, so plenty of time, but veteran leadership is desperately required in the back.

  48. QuakesUK says:

    Frustrating result but not the end of the world. With three, almost four (with only New Zealand or Tahiti in the way) WC spots available from 6, I don’t think it’s time to be tying this campaign up in a bag and throwing it in the river. The Hex almost always comes down to the ability to win your home games, with ANYTHING picked up away from home a bonus. (We’re not going to be playing every game at 4 pm local, either). We got beat in a passionate, unwelcoming cauldron thanks both to Honduras inventing a time machine and borrowing Pele direct from the set of “(Escape To) Victory” and Omar Gonzalez being shit. Drop Gonzalez, play home games in Columbus, Seattle and Portland and cheer the hell up. Not a good start but Brasil is still within reach. DON’T PANIC.

    • Chocolate Cake says:

      We play New Zealand in New Zealnd should we finish 4th. You know the refs will likely be anti-U.S.

      • wfrw07 says:

        Actually we would play them home and home with said team, and the ref wouldn’t be from Central America,s o not sure how you arrived to that conclusion.

  49. Conrad says:

    Partly in defense of Jozy, who simply got zero service today. He had one decent ball in, and if he had converrted that, it would have been a highlight reel forever. Seriously, when the midfield coughs up the ball so easily, how can you blame the striker?

    Strike Rate of Leading USMNT Scorers

    Michael Bradley .15 goals per game
    Carlos Bocanegra .13 goals per game
    Clint Dempsey .32 goals per game
    Graham Zusi .14 goals per game
    Jozy Altidore .25 goals per game
    Eddie Johnson .31 goals per game

    Missing from today’s game:
    Landon Donovan .34 goals per game
    Herculez Gomez .26 goals pergame

  50. PTK says:

    Is anyone ready to call DeMerit back into the pool? Or is everyone still whining that he’s too old (younger than Boca and Dolo) too slow (2nd fastest on Whitecaps) or that he doesn’t fit JK’s system (NO SYSTEM)

    I have been wondering why he hasn’t yet been called in. The only US defender in the world, it seems, that has yet to be called in. Plus he knows how to play with Boca….

    Ok, let’s here the “go younger excuses” now….. Fire Away!

    • natsalways says:

      Agreed. DeMerit has a grit some of these other players are lacking…and his experience would have helped today. Still think Boca should have been on the field today.

      And Chandler looked like it was his first game in qualifying, with, no one covering.

      When I saw the backline today I thought O CRAP. My gut is ocassionally right.

  51. micronesian justin says:

    We looked slow, indeed. Back 4 (save Johnson) were unimpressive. I don’t know why Chandler is so casual back there. The corner that led to the first goal was because Chandler was back there messing around, gave the ball up and Gonzo had to come slide tackle leading to the corner.

  52. Ali says:

    ok if we need to blame someone for this result is has to be Klinnsman….we have a pretty good team to go out into an away match play our game and attack while also defend. Now Klinnsman took the the defending strategy which tells me that his afraid or doesn’t beleive in the players enough. Now hopefully his afraid Now I’m not saying that they play horrible they didn’t when the US had the ball they control the pitch Honduras was scare at times because the usa did a good job at times to run into space like the goal Dempsey score now just imagine if they would of play a more attacking strategy then the one they played. Look I know playing defensively might give you a tie but you don’t see Mexico doing that in a away games do you? The USA has the players in this team to play their normal attacking game so why not use it!!!! Sure Cameron made a mistake so what it happens it sucks but no body is perfect but did they attack right afterwards NO!! instead Honduras attack and attack Come on Kilnnsman I know he is a good manager and he shouldn’t be afraid of going all out because you might just come up with a win outside the US if you attack more and don’t play a defensive style of play. I have more to talk about but that’s it.

    • fsljdf says:

      Honduras didn’t attack and attack you idiot. both teams sat back. its 90 degrees out in the winter, you expect players that are playing in europe right now to attack for 90 minutes. you would be a great coach you bum

      • Ali says:

        LOL I know honduras didn’t attack and attack for 90 mins lol you didn’t read it right I said they attack and attack after they score the second goal while the US continue to sit back waiting. But overall Honduras did attack more than the US because of the defensive strategy they use. All I was saying is that Klinnsman shouldn’t be using a defense approved anymore while playing away games they should just play their game like they would if they would play here in the USA. For example look at Jamaica they didn’t play defensively except for the last ten mins of the game against Mexico and extra 6 mins too. They got a good result with a tie. But I assure you that if Jamaica would of play a more defensive game they would of lost.

  53. Darwin says:

    Is it just me,or did Jones have a head scratcher? I mean, his hair is getting pretty long.

  54. Brett says:

    I’m telling you guys, Klinsmann works players too hard in training and they get gassed on match day. It’s been happening a lot, but no one notices in friendlies because we get so many subs.

  55. Darwin says:

    I hate to say it, but I’m turning on Mex v Jam to watch a real CONCACAF superpower play. I need to end today on a good note.

    • Chocolate Cake says:

      For sure, Jamaica is a decent team but it will be a bloodbath unless they park the bus reallly really good. They will sacrificed at the alter, if they defend poorley.

  56. Chocolate Cake says:

    Chandler was unimpressive, so much for the hype. None of these guys warrant any type of hype whatsoever.

    • Josh says:

      Welcome to America, where if you’re not the best player in the world at age 17, you’re a bust.

      • Chocolate Cake says:

        America doesn’t have system to make a world’s best player period. Chandler was highly overrated by U.S. fans who pretended as if he were the savior we needed at right back.

        • Darwin says:

          I miss Frankie Cut-back.

        • Mat says:

          Chandler is a pretty good player. He’s just very inexperienced. But with Dolo out, who would you realistically want out there if not Chandler? The problem was our back line was just too green. Klinsy gambled a bit: get Omar and the lads big game experience, sit Boca, don’t call in Gooch.. it backfired, though it might be one step back for 2 steps forward since the only way to gain experience it to get whacked in the face really. Time will tell.

  57. Gary Page says:

    There should be no sugar coating of this pathetic display. No sense of urgency, no intensity from the US team. I’ve seen pick up teams show more effort. Too many players looked like they thought all they had to do was show up to win. Well, they did a good job of conserving their energy, maybe they should put it to good use and walk home. I’m disgusted.

    And Klinsmann made a bad mistake bringing in Kljestan who was garbage. He gave the ball away down in the corner almost every time. He should have moved Dempsey out left and brought in Gomez up top. At least Gomez always hustles.

    • Amru says:

      Can’t really blame sasha for that, he is clearly not a winger and klinsmann should know that

    • Darwin says:

      First paragraph was spot on.

    • Brain Guy says:

      I agree. Klejstan for Johnson was useless for useless. EJ could not dribble around a stone.

    • D says:

      Disgusted is the best word to use. We have been playing absolutely awful soccer for quite some time now. I will not be surprised what-so-ever to see this team not qualify for the World Cup. That was pathetic. field conditions, heat, new centerbacks, travel time, blah, blah, blah. Honduras just DOMINATED us, we were over matched for the entire game. We scored one goal against the run of play, i repeat, we were awful. So as a country are we back to where just qualifying for the World Cup is a success? Because I can promise you that teams like Honduras have the same the goal. I was under the impression that we were trying to become a force amongst the world soccer forces? I guess I was wrong. Hurray I can’t wait to try to back into the cup! At least then we fulfill our goal!

  58. Daniel says:

    1. Is it me or does it seem like these guys don’t want to play for Klinsmann?

    2. Again, the midfield featured THREE (3) guys that prefer to play centrally as “holding” midfielders plus Eddie Johnson on the left… did it seem like the organization of these pieces was an abject disaster?

    3. Not trying to overreact to one game, but can we all please chill with the man-crushes on Gonzales & Chandler?

    4. Does anyone have any idea what we were “trying” to do out there?… i mean, beyond the general fog that everyone seemed to be in, did anyone see any trace of a plan?

    • Chocolate Cake says:

      They looked lost as hell out there, and the goal we got was lame too. Both Honduras goals were an example of pedestrian defense. Those boys need to tighten UP.

    • biff says:

      best post yet, Daniel. The Socratic method of posting. I truly believe that US Soccer needs to have a contingency plan should we not pick up three points from Costa Rica. Not that the trigger should be pulled, but be ready to if we would also suffer losses against Mexico and Jamaica. And I am not joking folks. four games in with less then 3 points, Klinsmann has gotta go.

  59. harry says:

    They have a guy on the bench who could have made an impact. his name is brad davis. Everybody thinks hes too old or too slow but he is technically one of the most gifted players on the team. Hes been underappreciated his whole career, but he can play one touch and two touch with anybody and he always seems to make the right choice on his passes. No he hasn’t gone overseas but if given the chance you would see that he can compete and do well at this level. I say this after watching the game today. To many touches and gave the ball away too many times

  60. Darwin says:

    Anybody else already to the indifferent/naively hopeful stage yet? I think we are adapted to be USMNT fans.

  61. Jack says:

    The problem with the us is that JK is playing the best 11, not the right 11. There is a big difference between individual talent and team talent. You need to have the 11 out there who feel comfortable with one another and who have the best chemistry. JK is playing people at positions that they are not quite familiar with. He needs to understand this concept or the USA might not even be in Brazil in 2014

    • Mat says:

      Problem is the lack of veterans. No Landon, no Boca, no Gooch, no Dolo, no proven veterans who’ve been there done that = we suffer.
      WCQ and the WC are really 2 different animals and you don’t necessarily want the same players in both (e.g Hejduk last cycle)

  62. Mat says:

    Newsflash: USA in WCQ = struggles on the road, fills up at home.
    Losing and playing poorly is frustrating, but it’s pretty much the way it’s ALWAYS been for the USA in WCQ. I’m not too worried until we start dropping games in the US… then, well, that’s a whole other story.
    Not excusing our bad performance, just saying it’s not that big of a surprise considering our WCQ history – even if we’d done well in Honduras recently.

    • natsalways says:

      No, but this makes the Panama and Jamaica away games even more crucial. We are very unlikely to take points in Azteca (although I would love to eat my words) and not so great in Costa Rica either.

      BTW…don’t panic. Remember where Mexico was in August of the last qualifying cycle….better to start badly and finish strong. You had to suspect this would be a tough game with the limited turnaround (Dempsey played on Sunday in England, for crying out loud) and the NATIONAL DAY OFF in Honduras. It is what it is. For all that went wrong it was a pretty even game. We just didn’t finish, and they did.

  63. MiamiAl says:

    Landon, hurry back!!!

  64. G. Bean says:

    I’d rather have Castillo, and Sarkodie as fullbacks for the attack.

  65. Ryan says:

    No excuses. We suffer from the same thing England fans do. We think our team is way better than they actually are. We’re bad.

  66. MikeG says:

    What we need is a player like this, who is my all time best standard for a midfielder: link to youtube.com

    • Darwin says:

      We need people that make those runs.

    • Berto says:

      El Chimbron!! What a concacaf killer he would be.

      I think klinsman needs a drill where everyone puts on wigs, he blasts Mariachi band salsa music, and every player gets a ball and tries to maintain possession while knocking other people’s balls out of the box. honestly think the USMNT needs this drill, daily

      Seriously now… How many times did jones, sacha, etc lose the ball at there feet?

  67. sdflash says:

    Those who think this is Klinsmann’s fault are missing the point. Regardless of his team selection and tactics the players are responsible when the whistle blows. I hope nobody really believes that putting Gomez, Gatt, etc. on the field or changing the formation would have really made any difference when the our best players can’t get the job done on a one v. one basis.

    At some point the players have to show up and play. We either have players who are capable at the international level or we don’t. It constantly amazes me that a country like Honduras, with less population than Los Angeles, can produce a team full of players that show more confidence, skill, energy and will to win than the best we can produce in this country.

    There is no reason to push the panic button but this is depressing. We got run out of the U20′s and Olympics at the confederation qualifiers; maybe this result is a portent of things to come at the senior level and a natural progression of results that will finally show how bankrupt our soccer development system actually is.

    • MikeG says:

      Honduras played a lot of diagonal runs and passes toward the penalty area. Simple, but effective game plan. When those passes connected a U.S. player had to move to put on pressure and that created more open space for Honduras. This is why the U.S. players were not getting to loose balls.

  68. g? says:

    Thought, maybe its too late to be read.
    Should we consider EJ on the road for his better heading ability and speed on the counter, and Jozy at home when we’re more likely to have the service? I think it’d be ridiculous to bench Jozy in a real sense, but tactically, he does suffer from a lack of service, and Eddie has proven himself to be quite good at Route 1 (the Sounders with him play substantially more crosses – Sounder @ Heart had a bit on this), while Jozy would likely be the superior choice at home, when his linkup ability is more useful.
    Tl;dr: Jozy at home-better linkup play, EJ on the road-better heading and speed.
    Thoughts?

    • MikeG says:

      EJ is a forward. Period. Whether he starts or comes off the bench can be determined by who the opposing team is or how the game situation may be. He belongs in the forward player pool and not the midfielder pool.

  69. Roman Lewandowski says:

    What player, not named Dempsey, has produced goals consistently under Klinsmann? Based on the anti-Jozy vitriol on this site, you would think Gomez, EJ, and Boyd were producing NT goals left and right. Gomez’s contribution was a set piece goal that the keeper should have saved. Interestingly, the Jozy haters never miss a chance to belittle his PK against Slovenia. EJ had one breakout game and otherwise has shown very little. I like Boyd as much as anyone, but he isn’t there yet. Back to Gomez: what can we infer about the fact that people use words like “pesky” and “heart” to describe him? He isn’t an international-class player.

    At least some people recognize this team has major systemic problems. Others seem to put the whole team’s performance on the striker. It’s just like when people watch football and only notice the quarterback.

    Finally, I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I am getting the impression Klinsmann does not have a good relationship with some of the most important players. The team does not seem to play well for him. I never liked him as much as some, but my patience for JK has worn very thin.

  70. fischy says:

    One thought: Wow did Chandler suck.

    • fischy says:

      I could name at least a half dozen MLS fullbacks who defend better and are more effective going forward, too.

      • sdflash says:

        So who are they?

        • fischy says:

          Since you asked — I could easily name a half-dozen who are better, but the best are foreign — so, I’ll make it harder by going with the best Americans: Beitashour, Dunivant, Ashe, Franklin, Pearce, Alston and Korb. .

  71. Gord Downie says:

    Towards the end of the first half there was a play where Chandler coughed the ball up to Costly, and Omar had to come across and pull a great slide tackle before Costly could cut in on goal. After the play Chandler didn’t even acknowledge Omar, and Omar turned his back and walked away.. I just wonder if there is some sour grapes between the two of them seeing how it was Chandler who blew out Omar’s knee during his training stint at Nuremberg…

    Just something that really stood out to me..

  72. boosted335 says:

    Another game without George John in the center of the defense; another sub-par defensive performance for the USMNT

    • sdflash says:

      George John is the solution?

      Are you kidding me? What about Bobby Boswell, Chad Marshall or Robbie Russell or the guy who plays center back for the Rochester Rhino’s. They have as much experience playing on the road in WC qualifiers as George John and are every bit as qualified. What have these guys or John done to demonstrate that they are any better than what we have now. Throwing darts at a dart board. Hell, bring back Jeff Agoos. At least he has experience.

      • boosted335 says:

        If you ever REALLY watched him play you wouldn’t type something so ignorant, but whatever you can keep hitting the snooze button all you want as your inconsequential but If Klinnsman does the same we’ll all suffer as the L’s continue to pile up.

        Bottom line:
        Cameron has never proved to be as good *AT CB* as either John or Gonzalez in MLS and he’s not proving to be good *AT CB* in the EPL or for the Nats either.
        Despite what happened today Gonzalez IS the real deal but guess what. George John gives you everything Gonzalez does (i.e strength, positioning, anticipation, aerial dominance) while providing things Gonzalez doesn’t (much more speed/quickness, better passing)

        Cameron belongs in the midfield and John need to be called in so he and Gonzalez can get their reps in together at CB asap AFTER this tournament

  73. biff says:

    Should Geoff Cameron continue to play center back for the USMNT when he no longer plays the position at the club level? When I have brought this up in recent weeks smart guys like GW say, sure, why not? Well, Cameron did not look real good today. I think he is a great player and I like him, but if continues not playing CB at Stoke, then I think he will not be a viable option anymore for USMNT CB. I have no doubt that Cameron would have been better at right back today than Tim Chandler.

    I am so tired of Klinsmann thinking like he’s a divine being and able to put players in whatever positions he commands and they can miraculously play the role. We have a big player pool with players at all positions and I am beginning to seriously doubt Klinsmann’s ability to choose players.

    • JHawk says:

      Looks like we were thinking the same thing about the same time. Sorry for the repeat of this thought.

    • Roman Lewandowski says:

      It might not be ideal, but it certainly is possible. Marcin Wasilewski, a RB for Anderlecht, has filled a serious hole at CB for the Polish national for the last year or more.

      As always, it depends on the player.

    • beachbum says:

      hey biff, I’m tired of the guys being played out of position too

      Coach’s job is to put guys in the best possibility to succeed, and he did not get that part of the job done seems to me

    • slimkid32 says:

      Didn’t Dom Kinnear move Cameron to CB?

  74. JHawk says:

    I know that most everybody didn’t play well today. However, I am seeing a lot of talk that Omar should not have started, he is not ready, etc. Not sure why all the focus on Omar. What about Cameron? He was terrible today. After today’s performance from Cameron, I am not sure I wouldn’t say pair Omar and Bocanegra at DM. Now I am not saying Omar was great or anything, but Cameron was worse. I get that he lost his man ball watching on the tap in, but how in the world does Cameron/Howard even put the defense in a position to have to worry that the cross could be possible. Also, terrible marking on the play that resulted in the bicycle. I get that Cameron is “in form” because he is in season. Just didn’t seem to make a difference today.

    • biff says:

      Strange, Rock-Chalk JHawk. We posted at the same time about Cameron. I agree Geoff did not have a good showing. But I had been calling this for weeks, as he is not playing CB anymore for Stoke. Actually, his most recent game at Stoke he played attacking midfielder. But before that he was primarily at right back, and a time or two at left back.

    • beachbum says:

      +1 JHawk

    • eric says:

      Because Cameron can pass out of the back and looks more competent overall. Watch the game again. Omar punted the ball every time he received it giving away possession. Omar has great tools but might never be international quality.

  75. ROBBO1 says:

    Although I did not watch the game I expected the same result. I think you guys have lost sight of the root problem. For the USA to make it to Brasil, there has to be a change in the Manager. The problem we are having is the same one Bayern experienced with Klinsman as the Manager. He is unable to evaluate talent, field a cohesive team or make adjustment during games. He has no core believe and that’s why he keeps experimenting with the team. He consistently plays players out of position. As Georgio C said before he died, “it is a terrible hire”. After today’s game, we can only hope to garner a point out of the first four games. We need Mixx, Freddie or Corona in the middle. None of the midfielders except for Bradley have the vision needed to dissect a defence. Thats why there was no service. Being a good player does not always translates to being a good manager. Klinsman preaches one thing but does something different. He plays guys whether they are inform or not. He should have started Edu and Cameron at CB. Gonzalez is not in form and does not have the experience. Sunnil you need to go too. We’ve only regressed since Bradley left.

  76. dslaskdfjklef says:

    Can somebody tell me what Jozy was honestly supposed to do? “Running harder” is the wrong answer. If the coach puts him in the striker position, then he will do what a striker is supposed to do. Which is make good runs, hold the ball up, link with teammates, and finishes chances. If there are never good balls played forward, the ball is never given to him in a good position to hold it up, no teammates are making effective runs, and certainly no chances are given to him then what is supposed to do? Decide he’s a midfielder and go take MB’s spot?

  77. GalaxyGooner says:

    It was hot and humid, you’re supposed to conserve energy and give players 10 yards of space and only make a run or defend when you absolutely have to, plus they just traveled 1000+ miles 48 hours before and were jet lagged, what do you expect? Plus I think they were told Brazil will falter in putting on the Cup and we will get the automatic bid when were are awarded as emergency hosts…….

  78. sir coble says:

    Not all is lost. I’m fairly certain we can beat Oceania in a playoff…
    Subs were a bit odd, Edu for the 2nd game running actually played well.
    With Bradleys calmness we have lost some of his intensity on the defensive side. When our # 6 was dragged out of position the gap of space in front of our center defenders was/is asking for problems going forward.
    Guys like Klejstan, Torres, Williams, Johnson are lost when played out of position, so lets quit doing this. We aren’t Dutch.
    Fabian looked good in my eyes. Chandler now has made his bed and will have to improve or look at never playing internationally. That is a good fire to have under his over sized ass.
    Looking forward to Gold Cup to bring some fresh ideas.

    ————–Boyd———–
    Pontius——Adu———Gatt
    ——Holden—–Feilhaber—
    -Beltran-Ream–Besler—-Parkhurst
    ————-Guzan———

    Subs: Licaj, Morales, George John, Beckerman, Agudelo, Hamid, Lleget, Gil, Shea, Donovan (why not? a little suspension pay your dues off the bench while showing some guys the ropes)
    Let this guys scrimmage our 1st team and let out some steam while letting the cream rise to the top.

  79. vic says:

    Jesus, Im so confused.. I thought we were going to set the pace today, instead our guys looked tired after 20 min. Bradley,Chandler looked slow, Bradleys passing in first half was pretty bad. Killed many charges upfield. Nobody was winning balls on defense. After Dempseys goal, I thought the USA was regrouping well. Then that dreaded bicycle kick……ohhhh. Second half was back and forth, but we could not expand the field. They kept trying. I must say this, as bad as this turned out, The depth of the team will get better. What Im scared of, is the chemistry on the field is way off, and we lose a game that causes the USA to go into other qualifiers with very little points. If you think the pressure is now on, wait till then. I dont want to see this. I hope we get Holden in a couple of months to see if his chemistry works with others in the midfield, I know Donovan will be back…..sometime….In the meantime, nine more to go…

  80. Big Red says:

    Mexico lost to Honduras in the last Hex I believe. This game went as expected so I don’t know why people are tripping out. I’m really worried about Gonzalez though. Looked like he couldn’t hold a line and was beaten more than once. Honduras should have scored more goals. I really think that JK has to seriously consider Edu/Cameron at center back again. They played there when we won in Mexico City last year and looked good.

  81. YueFei says:

    Right now Jamaica is holding Mexico 0-0 at halftime in aztecs. Concacaf is getting better, making it inexcusable for us not to step it up and play better soccer.

    • slimkid32 says:

      Did Mexico just draw Jamaica in Mexico. Probably lacked width and creativity in the midfield… Fire the coach!

  82. Dennis says:

    Beyond what i think were poor tactics by Klinsmann, when you look at the roster, Howard, Bradley, Dempsey and maybe Jones are what passes for the core of this team. Every other player is left to wonder if he will start or even be called in for the next game. Boca’s exclusion says more about Klinsmann’s lack of understanding group dynamics than it does about his tactical acumen. His is NOT a recipe for building team cohesion, there is so much unsettled, even those 4 must wonder what is going on and who will be next to him, or even if one of those 4 will be dropped. That uncertainty is not a recipe to mold a group that will fight for one another. Bob Bradley was much better at forming a group who would fight for each other. When B. Bradley had surprise selections like Casey or Hejduk, they seemed to fit in and one can argue they were key players that were responsible for wins in Honduras and an important tie in Panama.

  83. DC Josh says:

    Don’t start three defensive midfielders= don’t play badly.

    Klinsmann and his staff have a lot to work on.

  84. DanielGH says:

    link to facebook.com

    A movement to bring Landon back.

  85. beachbum says:

    you can lay this one squarely at the feet of the coaching staff. It’s the only analysis that applies. The staff is tasked with putting players in their best positions to succeed as a team, and the staff gets an F for yesterday. For me it comes down to a lack of respect for our region, especially the raod qualis, and thus the poor decisions on who to start and where to play them. It was awful and the staff better get it right and damn soon or we’re toast.

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