Wednesday Kickoff: MLS eyes Queens stadium site, Schweinsteiger fit and more

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MLS is reportedly closing in on a home for its coveted second New York franchise.

According to the Wall Street Journal, the league has zoned in on an area in Flushing Meadows-Corona Park in Queens, where a 20,000-25,000-seat soccer-specific stadium would be built. A proposal for what would be a privately funded stadium has been shown to local politicians, and according to WSJ, since the stadium would be built on city-owned park land, the city council and state legislature would need to sign off on the plan, which is in its infancy.

Should the proposal pass through all the necessary steps and red tape, the league says that the stadium would be built in no more than two years, according to the WSJ report, and it would be located near the New York Mets' Citi Field and the USTA Billie Jean King National Tennis Center.

The site selection is the culmination of a city-wide search that has been conducted for almost two years. Back in March, MLS commissioner Don Garber said that the league had looked at 19 different sites over an 18-month period, trying to narrow down a place in New York City for a 20th franchise, one that would have to enter the league by paying a $100 million expansion fee.

Here are a few more stories to get your Wednesday going:

SCHWEINSTEIGER FIT FOR SEMIFINAL

After an injury scare, integral Germany midfielder Bastian Schweinsteiger is fit for the Euro 2012 semifinals after all.

Schweinsteiger has played through an injured right ankle for months after tearing a ligament in February, but he was considered in doubt for Germany's match with Italy on Thursday. After training with the team and coming through OK, he has passed a fitness test and is ready for the bout with the Azzurri.

Schweinsteiger has started every game of the tournament for the Germans in central midfield, and according to coach Joachim Loew, "He is the team's emotional leader. He's very important for our team. We need him on the field."

ITALIAN NEWSPAPER OFFERS BALOTELLI APOLOGY

As if opposing country's fans behavior was bad enough during Euro 2012, an Italian newspaper has gotten into hot water over a cartoon that depicted Italy striker Mario Balotelli as King Kong.

Reputable daily Gazzeta dello Sport published a cartoon of Balotelli climbing Big Ben after Italy's triumph over England in the Euro 2012 quarterfinals, something done in poor taste considering that Balotelli has been the subject of monkey chants from opposing fans throughout the tournament. Gazzeta dello Sport issued an apology for the cartoon.

"We can honestly say it was not among the best products of our talented cartoonist," the newspaper said in a statement. "At this time, a measure of prudence and good taste are necessary because everything, absolutely everything, can be misinterpreted. The newspaper is for those who read it and hence, if certain readers found the cartoon offensive, we apologize. But those that accuse Gazzetta of racism are going overboard. This newspaper has fought any form of racism in every stadium and has condemned the boos directed at Balotelli as an unacceptable form of incivility.''

ANDERLECHT REPLACES RANGERS IN PRESEASON TOURNAMENT

Rangers' downward spiral has caused newly promoted Premier League side Southampton to rescind their invitation to the Scottish club for a preseason tournament. 

Rangers were set to participate in the Markus Liebherr Memorial Cup on July 14, but "due to the well-publicized circumstances surrounding the Scottish side" Southampton has decided to replace Rangers with Sacha Kljestan's Anderlecht. Kljestan will get to face Southampton and Arsenal during the round-robin tournament as part of the Belgian champions' preparations for title defense and UEFA Champions League run.

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What do you make of the MLS stadium headway in New York? Do you think that is a good location for a new stadium? Are you of the belief that the league does not need a second New York franchise? How crucial is Schweinsteiger to Germany's fortunes? Are you disgusted by the Balotelli cartoon in Italy? How long do you see it taking for Rangers to restore their reputation? 

Share your thoughts below.

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134 Responses to Wednesday Kickoff: MLS eyes Queens stadium site, Schweinsteiger fit and more

  1. James says:

    Its disgusting that the MLS is desperate to pander to NY at the expense of a handful of lower division clubs with proven support and the infrastructure to move up to the MLS.
    I dont know why they are so enamored with NY. It aint like its any more of a soccer hotbed than any other major city in America.

  2. RedStateJim says:

    uh…because it is NY. If you don’t understand what that means you never will be convinced what NY brings to the table. There are hundreds of reasons but the first is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in all forms.

  3. Old School says:

    I agree with you, 100%.

  4. al17 says:

    MLS,

    SOS from Chicago. Can ya get the team to actually move back into the actual city before embarking on more expansion. No issues with NY getting a 2nd side but what’s going on with my Fire and playing in BFE is SAD.

  5. tw says:

    no, but it is more of a sports hotbed than any other major city in America.

  6. Old School says:

    That Italian Newspaper is disgusting. It’s not about being PC, that was simply moronic.

    Suspensions/Being being fired should be in order.

    Absolutely disgusting.

  7. biff says:

    Funny story about an English fan behind the goal who dropped his pants trying to distract Alessandro Diamanti during the penalty shoot-out between England and Italy.

    link to tinyurl.com

  8. Old School says:

    What do you define as a “hotbed”.

    Kids playing in the streets, leagues and foreign nationalities interested in the sport don’t equate to $$$$$$$$$, as someone above mentioned.

    All you need to do is observe RBA and NYRB for that. Arguably the best SSS in our league with one of the most notable names on their roster. Say what you want but their draw is still disappointing.

    I would venture to say our true “hotbed” for passion….and I mean passion in supporting the product by coming out to games….is the Pacific Northwest.

    “Hotbeds” mean nothing if said “hotbeds” aren’t supporting the product.

  9. d3 says:

    Come and visit NY and you’ll understand more. To have a successful 2nd team here is huge. And RedStateJim is right, it’s about $$ and sorry but nowhere in the US matches it.

  10. tk421 says:

    Wouldn’t be too choked if Schweinsteiger couldn’t play against Italy.. Love the guy but he hasn’t had a great tourniment and at this point Lars Bender might be the better option beside Khedira anyway.

  11. PCFC says:

    This isn’t about attendance, what some cities “deserve” or history. This is about what new york city brings to the table. Money, sponsorship, tv ratings.

  12. PCFC says:

    NYC is definitely a hot bed. We just have other things to do. Not to mention we have 22,000,000 people on all sides of the rivers. The Nets moved to brooklyn because they recognize the potential in the city. And the devils aren’t doing that well either in NJ. Why would a soccer team break that trend.

  13. Julio says:

    And how do the Metro Stars draw with all the 22M people available?

  14. chris says:

    Then get rid of the redbulls and put a team in new york. There is no point to have two teams in one city in MLS

  15. slowleftarm says:

    The Cosmos idea is a terrible one. I’m a NYRB seson ticket holder and RB Arena is rarely filled (last weekend being a notable exception). The team makes zero efforts at marketing and is virtually unknown outside hardcore soccer fans in NYC. This move more or less guarentees that NYRB becomes the Devils of MLS (minus the multiple championships of course). Orlando deserves this a lot more.

  16. Shane says:

    I’ve been to NY and it smells.

    I agree with James, this is disgusting. Red Bulls have been an embarrassment at times, they shouldnt be pandering to NY. This country is huge and there are numerous other cities deserving of an MLS team.

  17. solles says:

    Except that NYC is about 5 or 6 cities compared to the rest of the country. Oh, and Gals-Chivas. Meh.

  18. slowleftarm says:

    And another thing – that WSJ article goes on and on about important it is to have a stadium in NYC. The proposed stadium is Queens. I know that technically that is in NYC but Red Bull Arena is a hell of a lot closer and easier to get to from most of NYC than Flushing. What a joke.

  19. Mike in Missouri says:

    1 out of every 7.5 people in the US lives in either the NYC or LA metro areas. Certainly doesn’t hurt to have 2 teams in both. At least the teams in NYC will be spread out and in two different locales.

  20. Dane96 says:

    You are talking silly. NJ is not NY.

    Red Bull average not what they should, but well, and more importantly, it is a pain to get out of RBA transportation-wise.

    This site in Queens is as easy as it gets in a hugely immigrant based community near all forms of public transit.

    If the team has superstars and does well, I suspect great attendance will be seen…much like if the Revs put a stadium in Sommerville, MA like they have been talking.

    It’s a homerun in this location, and it is an adverstising coup for the league.

  21. HoboMike says:

    Have you seen the unedited photo?

    Joke’s on him. He’s hung like a light switch.

  22. Dane96 says:

    You mean the Red Bull, smarty pants?

    And you do realize Harrison NJ is not Queens, NY? Correct.

    Queens, as much as it pains me to say as a Kings County born and raised person, is the perfect site location. B/W the Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn, and Nassau (maybe some Suffok people come out…but not far-flug Suffolk) you have almost 8 million people within a 30 minute train ride and an hour car ride.

    Not to mention you have the biggest media and television markets in the world.

    Nowhere matches that potential. Nowhere. You need 0.003 percent of that population to sellout a 24,000 seat stadium.

  23. Rlw2020 says:

    That location would be amazing. Without a doubt the Cosmos would be a huge hit there. All the ney-sayers will either come around to see that they will be a big money force in this league or just hate them for the same reason.

    Also im pretty sure this isnt the end of expansion. Mls will continue, my guess is to 24, and the newcommers in orlando, atlanta, nc, etc will get their shot. First proove to the rest of the country that your clubs have continued support (over the years) and your not just a flash in the pan.

  24. RedStateJim says:

    Where is the story sighted from? The WALL STREET JOURNAL!

    It is not from some soccer blog from St Louis or my town Orlando, it is from the most important business journal in the WORLD. That is why they want a second team in NY.

    It is not pandering to want to increase the entire leagues profile and revenue, it is good business. If the league was discussing expansion in any other city in the country, it would not make the news.

    My city, Orlando would make a fine location for expansion as would 8-10 other cities, but that does very very little for the league itself. Another team in NY makes every existing team more valuable, rasies the entry fee for future teams higher….I could go on and on, simply stated NY IS GREAT BUSINESS

  25. Dane96 says:

    FAIL!

    Absolutely not true. To get to the site in Flushing is a quick train ride and/or a jaunt over one of a multitude of tunnels and bridges that get you right into the area.

  26. slowleftarm says:

    Harrison is closer to Manhattan (the real city) than Flushing, which is just another glorified suburb.

  27. Rlw2020 says:

    No. New Jersey is probably the biggest soccer tallent producing areas in the country. Its also a huge population area, i dont think a team in Queens would kill NYRBs fan base.

    Iv never been to a NYRB game but does anyone come from long island or ct or bronx, i doubt it…

  28. Dillon says:

    It is amazing how out of touch the Italian media is with the 21st Century.

  29. Brain Guy says:

    This is a classic case of subtraction by addition. RBNY/MetroStars struggle for more than a decade to build a following. They get a beautiful stadium and begin to get the following they have always craved. Then, because of its obsession with NYC, and totally ignoring the dynamic in LA (where Chivas still fails to draw anywhere close to what the Galaxy draws), MLS pokes a giant hole in RBNY’s fan base. It’s a poke in the eye for RBNY and its fans.

  30. Dane96 says:

    Ummmm…if you are talking distance, than your argument fails.

    In travel in the City and the Tri-State area…no one cares about distance; IT IS TIME and EASE.

    And ask anyone who knows anything about the Harrison location: IT IS NOT EASY OR TIMELY TO GET TO.

    That said, you fail. Taking Madison Sq Park as a jump point (it’s very Central to both locations), the site location in Queen is 2 miles closer than Harrison’s Red Bull Arena.

    Furthermore, Manhatten and Staten Island are the closest to Harrison. I purposefully did not put Staten Island in the equation b/c Staten Islanders will likely stick to NJ. However, Manhattan residents likely are not going to watch much soccer at all. Residents are there for art, bars, eating, “city-life” and the teams located right on the Island of Manhattan. Sure, you get people like me who stick to their teams that are not residents of the Isle of Manhattan like the football teams, and for me the Islanders) but people don’t move to NY to watch sports.

    Do some research before just Chatty Cathying about things.

  31. eddie says:

    New York is the financial capital of this country. A second MLS team in New York will bring nothing but more confirmation of the seriousness of the sport in this country and perhaps to the world. New York is were marketing in this country begins.

  32. Dane96 says:

    The fan bases will be NOTHING alike.

    Red Bull= Soccer families and moms from Northern, Central and Southern (top half) Jersey, smattering from Staten Island and some other outliers.

    NYC Team 2= Nassau, Bronx, Kings and Queens County residents and a TON of immigrants that live in the Jamaica and Flushing neighborhoods.

    Completely different group.

  33. Winston says:

    I don’t know if you’ve tried driving in the NYC area but there are literally millions of people who would be more likely to attend a match in queens than drive out to RBA on any given day. Just because there is another stadium/team in the vicinity doesn’t mean that it is a realistic option. If you don’t believe me try driving from the meadowlands to queens after a giants game. And that’s on a sunday without weekday traffic.

  34. Dane96 says:

    Give Eddie the Gold Star!!!! Bingo, he hits it right on the head.

    This league is at its next crossroad. You hear Euro guys talking about the league’s potential. 10 years ago they weren’t even noticing the league.

    To move to the next level the MLS needs one thing: CASHOLA…big fat PAYOUTS.

    Any marketer/advertiser/investor worth their salt always wants to know that they can advertise in NYC.

    You can’t guarantee that with the Red Bull. Two teams though…you can play that off and say you have the “Tri-State Metro” area locked in and people look at this league in a WHOLE new light.

    To get players and investors from abroad, you will have to use a combination of level of play and ability to cross-market. The latter helps the former.

  35. drew11 says:

    These mythical NYC “fans” will find a reason not to go to Flushing just like they find a reason not to go watch Henry play in that soccer palace in Harrison.

    Mitchel Field is about all NY “fans” deserve based on their historical support of MLS.

  36. Dane96 says:

    Ummm…what “historical support”. There has never been a team in NYC under the new MLS (and the original Cosmos started at what is now Ichan Field, the only time MAJOR soccer was played in a league match in NYC.

  37. Old School says:

    Nothing says “we’re serious about our sport” than two SSS’s that are rarely filled in supposedly the US’s “hotbed”.

    At this point, the only way you’re packing a stadium in that area consistently is by signing Messi.

  38. Charles says:

    For those that are against the NY team. I am too, IF, IF, it is any either/or situation.

    I don’t believe it is however. I believe MLS will blow through the 20 team barrier as fast as they did, 16-18.

    In that case, I would think you would think like me:

    NY should be cut in half, too big for parity asone team.

    NY II could be huge for soccer in the US.

    Has The Don been wrong on any expansions in the last 10 years ?

  39. Old School says:

    Again, the only “hotbed” in our country is the Pacific Northwest.

    They do that one thing, that’s sorta key, you know…coming out to matches, showing passion and supporting their club.

    I couldn’t care less what the youth of that area are doing. Obviously the NJ/NY area are examples it means very little in terms of attendance.

    “Hotbed”….*insert laughter*

  40. don says:

    Good lord. I had no idea this many soccer fans were so misguided about NY2. NY has almost 20 times the population of some candidate cities, and it is THE financial/business/corporate center. A growing league needs investors and TV dollars, which some day will lead to the players being paid at a competitive rate.

  41. Aguinaga says:

    Actually, slowleftarm is right for at least half of Manhattan residents such as myself.

    Personally, I love the Flushing location, I think it’s the most realistic and soccer robust location within the 5 boroughs. I spend a lot of time in the area b/c of pick up games and family, and it’s definitely soccer mad. I think whatever team ends up there could have a fun, good local following.

    That said, will enjoy how NYC2 supporters (no guarantee it’ll be the Cosmos) and the Borough Girls (glee club for a non existent team) will push Queens as “so much closer” than Harrison for everyone. The only truth here is 1) Whether Harrison or Flushing is closer depends on where in Manhattan you live and 2) It’s a moot point anyway, as anywhere outside of their immediate borough might as well be Afghanistan to most outer borough phobic cab spoiled clueless Manhattan residents.

    Try again Dane.

  42. JohnC says:

    If I could like or retweet I would. This new stadium and team wouldn’t be about butts in seats, it would be about the number of eyeballs from the rest of the world. NY is the first city the rest of the world looks at for the US and by putting another team there and cross promoting it with Red Bulls would be such a boon for the league.

  43. BEASTOFNEWYORK says:

    The Don, more then any body, don’t jump on expansion without doing his research. So when people act like he has no clue at what he is doing, you make yourself’s look like idiots. NY2 will be a huge boost to the league.

  44. Dane96 says:

    Aquinaga, as a 38 year resident of NYC…I know the distances and that was precisely my point. They are about the same (I said 2 miles closer to Flushing). To me…the distance is the moot point.

    You should know as a NY’er…time is EVERYTHING. It is not easy to get to Harrison at all, heck it sucks if you live in Bergen County, NJ and that is where the big $$$ fans of the Red Bull live.

    And your second point is spot on as well: most people DON’T live Manhattan to do anything. The despise of DUMBO by Manhattan’ers is comical (I grew up in Sheepshead Bay….and DUMBO was a big fat DUMPO during those years).

    So…I am not sure why you are agreeing with the original poster. My point is simple: Arguing about Manhattan and the MLS is stupid b/c frankly this isn’t about the residents of Manhattan except for the rare breed like yourself. This is really about the Bronx, Kings, Queens and Nassau counties, which are filled with soccer loving immigrants and LI “Soccer/hockey” families.

    Your post actually makes my argument.

    And BTW, where could you possibly live that makes Harrison closer to the flushing site? Not traffic wise…but physically closer. Just curious.

  45. Casey says:

    If this league is to be taken seriously, then NY needs another team……..plain and simple.

  46. PCFC says:

    So the Nets struggled in Newark (walking distance to RBA). The Devils even struggled a bit in the playoffs (also walking distance from RBA). Is RBNY more like a Newark franchise or a NYC one?

    If both an NBA franchise and an NHL franchise struggle, why do we think MLS will fill-up immediately?

  47. PCFC says:

    I do agree that a more “urban core” area is more suitable…but focusing on a location is the best way to progress.

  48. d3 says:

    I’m a RBNY season ticket holder and think its a great idea (and so do the Red Bulls). What puts fannies in seats is good drama. How great would it be to have a derby with Henry vs. (insert DP name here) playing for the Cosmos? GRRRREAT.

  49. jya says:

    Is the MLS entry fee really that high? It seems new teams would be lot stronger if they didn’t have to pay $100 million dollars just to get in that can’t be right

  50. Rabid RBNY says:

    But how do they plan to compete with an MLS Expansion draft team to Queens residents that would rather follow teams in countries they were born in.

  51. RLW2020 says:

    the only thing that the article mentions that I question is that Don think they can build a stadium in what is currently public land in 1-2 YEARS!

    I bet he wants the Cosmos playing in 2014, but that is ambitious!

  52. RLW2020 says:

    those people are all from other potential expansion cities who are pissed that it isnt their turn.

  53. Dan MacAvoy says:

    Oh man, 100% agreed. I moved from DC, where I attended around 7 matches per year. In the 4 years I’ve been here, I’ve attended 3 Fire matches. Why? It’s a pain in the arse to get there, and then you arrive and it’s 30% full, with a sad trumpet echoing to Tetris theme for 90 dull minutes. Then you shuffle out, get back on a bus and wait in traffic for an hour, $60 poorer. Toyota Park and FCD Stadium should be the warning to any future development–in an urban center near public transit, or nothing at all.

  54. Camjam says:

    But you will never get any sympathy with this argument. Here in Salt Lake, our population is spread out North-South, and there is ONE interstate to travel with. Most fans regularly travel an hour to get to the game. Hell, I went to college 4 hours from the stadium, and we still got groups of us to carpool to about 7-10 games a year.

    Point being, you can make all the arguments about “travel time, NJ vs NY” that you like, but many in other MLS towns are used to hard work in order to see their teams. And its painful to see the league pander to a town that already has shown they aren’t willing to do the same thing

  55. RK says:

    MLS to southeast: we don’t care about you.

  56. Ryan in NYC from NC says:

    It’s painfully obvious that a lot of people who disagree w/ the 20th team being put in NYC DO NOT LIVE in NYC. Having a soccer specific stadium in Queens would be an absolute homerun. There are many times I’d love to take in a match but end up not going b/c getting to Harrison can be a hassle. With this I can just hop on the 7 and be there in 20 mins. I’m confident attendance will be great and I’m even more confident Cantona will attract “stars” to come play. This is a great thing for soccer in the states. Not to mention the NY darby that’s gonna take place. I’m hype all ready.

  57. kevdflb says:

    The devils DID just make the Stanley Cup finals.
    NYRBs should be so lucky…..

  58. SIR_KNOX says:

    if RedBull had setup shop in NYC it would be impossible to get a ticket
    these days.
    People under-estimate the barrier mental or otherwise people have in getting out of The City to go to New Jersey. If you don’t live live here you might not relate. But it exists nontheless.
    You can rebutt with NFL and I will counter with The Nets who have moved to Brooklyn.

  59. SIR_KNOX says:

    Well said!
    +anyone saying RBA not being full is New Yorks fault is kidding themselves. People rightly say NJ produces great talent and in the same breath they poopoo New Yorkers for not coming to watch them.
    Where are the Jerseyians?

  60. slowleftarm says:

    Well I lived here my entire life and go to every home match so I think that’s enough “research.” It’s an hour subway ride to the stadium site from Grand Central. From 33rd st PATH, it’s far less than that to Harrison.

    Also your comments about Manhattanites are uninformed and infantile.

  61. kevdflb says:

    I know the former Cosmos leadership was exploring stadium options in East NY – and the number I heard several times was 30,000-35,000 seats.
    But maybe the expectations from the new, Saudi ownership group are more realistic.

    For me (live in Brooklyn, work in Manhattan) Flushing is just as far as Harrison. A couple trains from home, or one long train from work.
    But Flushing, I could ride a bike to. So that is nice.

    I was hoping they’d try to tap into the Caribbean population in eastern Brooklyn that already supports NYC’s best soccer tournament, the Caribbean Cup. But, the Latin Americans all around Flushing are big soccer fans and players, too.

    I was also hoping for something that could serve as a regular home for the national team. 20,000 – 25,000 just isn’t big enough for that. But, 35,000 probably isn’t either.

    As long as they don’t name the team after a disgusting energy drink – and do something to support the local game and connect with the local scene in ways that RBNJ hasn’t, I’ll support them. Also, more terraced areas with cheap tickets would be good. RB arena isn’t full, but the obvious solution “lower prices” just doesn’t occur to them. But the city won’t understand that. They understand luxury boxes, not the Ecuadorian or Guyanese immigrant who wants to pay $15 to stand, and yell and watch football for 90 minutes.

    And I know dozens of people in NY (mostly Brooklyn) with the exact same attitudes.

  62. slowleftarm says:

    Yes he was wrong with Chivas, the only other example of two MLS teams in one city.

  63. slowleftarm says:

    You can stand in the supporters section and yell all you want for $20. I agree with your other points though regarding RBNY though.

  64. Old School says:

    Bingo.

    Woe is me = NJ/NY on this topic.

  65. Old School says:

    My only advice is grabbing some beers at The Globe and taking the shuttle.

    Takes a little of the sting off the commute but point taken. As a Chicago resident, I share your pain.

  66. adfl;kasdlk says:

    The cosmos’ brand is extremely popular around the world. A team in Florida would be great for a few thousand people and im sure would generate plenty of revenue but the entire world remembers the cosmos. MLS would be rolling in cash if they succeed.

  67. Dane96 says:

    You are full of it…absolutely full of it.

    It takes 16 minutes by train to get from Penn Station to Flushing on Metro North, specifically to the site of the proposed stadium. That same train services Westchester and Connecticut, something the PATH train cannot match in breadth of fans it can support. You can also travel to the Flushing site via the MTA trains. The LIRR services the site as well, taking no more than 27 minutes from Port Wash.

    There is a Delta water taxi that goes from Manhattan to CitiField, and it is open for big events. I am sure the City will work w/ Delta to extend it for the NYC2 team. There are a multitude of busses that get you into the Stadium.

    BY FAR public transport to the NYC2 site is light years ahead in both breadth and speed than that to RBA. It’s not even an argument.

    So…first off it is quicker to get to by train. Second, it is 2 miles physically closer by car…that said, it is a wash traffic wise.

    My comments about Manhattan. Lived here for 18 years…all different sections (Upper East, Upper West, LES, Chelsea, Murray Hill and now Sutton Place). I am pretty familiar with the residents.

    But that statement is a generalization…much like yours. Point to quantitive data, please, that shows Manhattanites leave the City to go watch the Red Bulls…IN DROVES.

    You don’t even listen to your own argument: First you said people don’t leave the City in your original argument. Now you are combating my response to yours by saying that my statement that NY’ers do not leave is false.

    Which is it pal?

  68. BEASTOFNEWYORK says:

    He wasn’t wrong with Chivas, the location was wrong. LA and Chivas need to put in two different spots in LA, just like the Cosmos and NYRB will be.

  69. PCFC says:

    Yeah and they’ll be owned by the NHL next year. Solid market [/sarcasm]

  70. kevdflb says:

    Also, I think that once MLS is at 20, there needs to be a clear goal of a second league of 20 – that will someday include promotion & relegation. Then it won’t just be business leaders choosing where teams go – but teams determining their own fates through performance.
    But no one who pays $100 million will agree to a promotion and relegation scheme…
    Everything is so top-down & money centered in the US.

    I suppose the only viable future expansion is to continuing to poach teams and markets from the NASL & USL Pro – both with lots of Southeast representation. Atlanta or Carolina or Orlando will have an MLS team soon.

  71. kevdflb says:

    Oh, I know.
    It’s a pretty small part of the stadium though. And I’m not a RBNJ supporter :)

  72. Old School says:

    “Everything is so top-down & money centered in the US.”

    That almost sounds as if you believe this is an exclusive attribute to a sporting league to our country.

  73. kevdflb says:

    Oh, I don’t – just lamenting that it is ALSO true in this sport. Which comes as no surprise.

  74. bryan says:

    dude, you do understand it comes down to the fact that by having another NY team, they will get more DPs. the big name DPs. the ones who only want to play in NY or LA. and since Chivas is a joke of a club, they are doing this.

    it is what it is.

  75. bryan says:

    he had ONE bad game.

  76. bryan says:

    um, yes there is. as a DC fan, i hate NY. but dude, where do all the major names want to play? NY and LA. with a salary cap and DP limits, one team can only do so much. this is a perfect way to solve that problem.

    Chivas is just a complete mess, so don’t bring them up.

  77. evan says:

    if they do build a stadium in Queens and the Cosmos do come back, 20,000 is WAY TOO SMALL! the Cosmos will be BIG, they will need 40,000 seats at least. it drives me nuts that MLS is building such small stadiums. the one they built in Houston is too small. Philly is too small. Portland is too small. the one they’re planning in San Jose is waaay too small. it’s a joke. in 10 years they’re gonna need to expand all these stadiums. mark my words. mark ‘em!

  78. bryan says:

    dude, apples and oranges my friend. Chivas did it to themselves. by keeping the name Chivas, they automatically alienate any Mexican fan who is NOT a Chivas fan. and it certainly alienate any fan who is not Mexican. that strategy may have been good back in the day, but they NEED to re-brand that team entirely. there is no reason that a second LA team can’t get as big as LAG. Chivas needs to move to Anaheim/Huntington Beach/Orange County area to distance themselves from Carson. OR they should move to downtown LA near Hollywood/Beverly Hills, or even Santa Monica. it’ll take large investment, no doubt, but they really need to do something.

  79. Chris says:

    It specifically states in the article that the stadium could be built in 1-2 years AFTER approvals are granted and permits obtained. Obviously this part involves lots of red tape and is not fast.

  80. bryan says:

    and naming them Chivas USA was wrong.

  81. bryan says:

    few things; people complaining, I get it. but i think you guys fail to realize that having a second team in NY allows twice as many big name DPs (Kaka, Ronaldihno, Henry, Beckham, etc.) than what we would have before. all these big players want to play in NY or LA. by adding a second team in NY, they effective double their chances of signing major names. this is the motivation behind it. as well as having a NY team IN the city.

    further, i think people need to stop using Chivas as an example of why this is dumb. Chivas made the mistake of sharing a stadium with LAG. that was really dumb, but it was cheaper and back then the MLS couldn’t really do better. but, to me, the biggest issue is the brand, Chivas USA. the ONLY people who care about that team are Chivas fans, and even they don’t really. yes, there are a lot of Mexicans in LA, but not all of them are Chivas fans. so you alienate them immediately. it also makes it an easy decision for non Mexicans to choose LAG over Chivas. if they were to re-brand themselves and move to another location, that franchise could explode.

  82. bryan says:

    well Garber has made it clear we’ll be at 30 teams before P/R is an option. and frankly, that’s good. we aren’t anywhere near ready to handle P/R.

  83. buckyball says:

    As much as I despise the vaporware nature of the Cosmos 2.0 marketing I guess I do see a slot for a real NYC team.

    The bad luck of the Red Bulls was to be a team formulated in the mid nineties, when the goal of all the MLS teams was to be an entertainment for suburban families who would bump up the gate with herds of ten year olds. The Chuckie Cheese alternative. Also, the NFL model seemed to say, “Put the stadium in the ‘burbs where the land is cheaper and plentiful.”

    All these guidelines ended up being wrong (at this point, fifteen years later). But, their stadium is where it is, and unfairly, they’re the team from the burbs that lacks that cool urban vibe. They might actually do better competing with another team, as the non hipster alternative.

  84. kevdflb says:

    Metro North does NOT go to Flushing, nor does it go to Penn station.
    No train to CT or Westchester goes through Flushing.
    for 18 years in Manhattan you know surprising little about NY’s commuter rail systems….

    LIRR does, though (as you said) quite quickly.
    Also, everything else? Spot on.

  85. kevdflb says:

    Agreed.
    Building up the second tier – USL Pro and NASL (why can’t they just be 1 20 team league) needs to happen.
    I know it isn’t the MLS’s responsibility.
    Perhaps promotion from that non-existant combined league would be a fair way to get to 30 teams.

  86. BEASTOFNEWYORK says:

    He wasn’t responsible for naming them, the are named after Mexican brother club, not by Don.

  87. BEASTOFNEWYORK says:

    NASL is the second tier, not USL. NASL is building fast.

  88. Brain Guy says:

    Harrison isn’t exactly the ‘burbs. It’s as urban as you get– granted, without the “cool urban vibe.” But it’s just inaccurate to describe it as some sort of theme park. By public transportation, Red Bull Arena is less than an hour from Midtown, not very much longer than a two-train subway ride from most of Manhattan.

  89. kevdflb says:

    You’re 100% correct about the Chuckie Cheese alternative and Suburban NFL models being wrong.

    One point of contention.
    The success of the Cosmos marketing does show that there really is something about that brand that resonates with people – people who are young, international, hip and probably have a sleeve tatoo. They are the polar opposite of Chuckie Cheese.

    These people would rather fly to England to watch Arsenal or Liverpool than go to Harrison. They want something that feels organic and local (like at their farmers markets!) Austrian energy drinks are neither.

  90. kevdflb says:

    I know.
    My point is that combined they have enough teams for a real league.
    20, in fact.

  91. kevdflb says:

    9 teams (NASL) is not a real league…

  92. bryan says:

    thanks Captain Obvious. what i’m saying is that Chivas USA was wrong for calling themselves Chivas USA. but i do wish Garber had a little more foresight to see that wasn’t a good idea and would create a limit on their potential market.

  93. BastionK says:

    Bravo sir, you hit the nail on the head.

  94. shao2007 says:

    The Carribean Cup is always a good time! Nice nugget of info with that one.

    Unfortunately the WSJ says its only 20k – 25k seat stadium

  95. kevdflb says:

    Also, the Cosmos brand (I have little doubt that it will be the Cosmos) is the polar opposite of Chivas USA. The Cosmos marketing is very deliberate in welcoming those of all backgrounds, of uniting people not only in spite of their differences, but in celebration of those ethnic and cultural differences. It will be the people’s club in NY, I have no doubt.

    Chivas USA was a cynical ploy to get the mexican chivas supporting market, while excluding everyone else.

  96. shao2007 says:

    + 100 for the non organic Austrian energy drinks

    After having flown to London and catching a game supporting NYRB definitely lacks that organic and emotional feel.
    Even the lack of real grass makes me feel like I’m watching some fabricated/knockoff version of the beautiful game

  97. kevdflb says:

    I was just trying to bust on the NJRBs for never having won a single thing.

    Oh, that Arsenal “lets give Henry a trophy” tournament last year.
    How could I forget? :)

    See the rivalry, people? I already hate the NJRBs and I don’t even HAVE a NY team to support….. yet.
    NY Derby, NOW!

  98. BastionK says:

    You keep touting all these fans that will flock to a soccer game if there was a stadium in Queens. I’d like to see the names of all these fans you claim will come out and support a new NYC team. But the cold hard fact of the matter is that SPECTACLE and GOOD TEAMS will put butts in the seats. Ease of travel is just gravy.

  99. kevdflb says:

    Caribbean cup is LITERALLY, the best thing ever.

  100. kevdflb says:

    NY Soccer fans don’t want to anything like Real Salt Lake.
    They want a team like those in Hamburg, or Stoke, or La Plata; teams like the ones their father and grandfather supported in their home countries or that they watched when they spent a year backpacking in South America – something feels like it is of them, by them, and for them – something that feels like it has a history and purpose other than just making money, and certainly not something they need an interstate to get to.

  101. The Imperative Voice says:

    How? They don’t even fully support the NYRB. I’m sure it will cost $$$$$$ to buy NYC land and set up a team but I’d be interested if they could sell tickets or if they’d just split/dilute NYRB support.

    I mean, people seem to be looking for the next NY Cosmos without admitting the Golden Era of Cosmos attendance was the Meadowlands (NJ) years.

    Now, I don’t necessarily but that there are ready-made minor league teams prepared to step up at #20 — I think we’ve picked all the obvious low hanging fruit with Montreal “promoted” — but I don’t have much higher hopes for the theorized NY2. I think the league should hold tight if not contract a little, not expand. But the magic number of 20 and the desire to imitate the EPL has its pull, as does the mythical beast of a NYC team attended better than the NJ version.

  102. The Imperative Voice says:

    …don’t necessarily buy…..

  103. shao2007 says:

    For the why NYC haters Shut up and read the WSJ article and learn why it’s so important to have a flagship team in NYC.
    You might actually learn something about the importance of being a respected league internationally.

    Either way I’ll soon be downing fancy craft beers and eating, organic free range caviar, all while watching Neymar and Gareth Bale play for my NY cosmos. Enjoy your stale countyfair

  104. The Imperative Voice says:

    Within Texas Dallas likes to act like it’s the better soccer city with the superior soccer league, etc. But in terms of MLS that arrogance plays out as fans unwilling to travel to Frisco (or the Cotton Bowl before it) to watch their own soccer team, who’d rather watch some Mexican or European friendly that comes through town.

    Thus though Houston is considered a relative backwater we tend to have actual Dynamo fans aplenty, who can then be bolstered by the snobs.

    So are they soccer fans or are they American soccer fans? It’s an important difference. My impression of NY is they will pay to watch high level soccer or Beckham games all day but they don’t care about ordinary MLS soccer much.

  105. The Imperative Voice says:

    People say the same thing about a potential NY F1 race ohhhhh the prestige and the fan base potential etc. and then they can’t get borough backing and groups protest and then magically the event ends up across the river in New Jersey hmmmmmmmmmmm

  106. The Imperative Voice says:

    You really think there is a bigger sugar daddy out there for MLS than RB?

  107. shao2007 says:

    Actually, enjoy Wondolowski with stale county-fair popcorn.

    ” But landing a stadium in New York City—a media capital and an ethnically diverse urban center—would be a significant boost to the league’s international stature.”

    “This is exactly what this community needs. There’s a true natural fan base for Major League Soccer…in the most diverse borough in the entire country,” said Assemblyman Francisco Moya, who represents the area that includes the park.

  108. Cavan says:

    Red Bull Arena has real grass.

    Do you have any other specious reasons not to support your local MLS team? Your, along with all the other non-Red Bull New York “fans,” demonstrate exactly why everyone else calls bs when you trumpet that 30,000 fans will show up to a stadium in the Flushing section of Queens, New York.

    People drive from Richmond to watch DC United. That’s two hours. Yet, you complain about a 45 minute subway ride from near Penn Station. It takes me about 45 minutes on the Metro yet I don’t complain.

    Most New York “fans” will simply always find another reason to complain and never show up. You don’t deserve another team and I greatly fear that a second team would be worse supported than the Red Bulls.

    Your city is simply a bad sports city. None of the people from your vaunted Carribbean Cup will ever show up to watch NY2 play.

  109. Dane96 says:

    I am dumber for having read this. Been to NY to talk among fans?

    How could possibly compare this to Dallas and the Dynamo? And I love Dallas people who talk about Houston as a backwater.

    Laughable.

  110. Cavan says:

    Did you notice his next quote?

    “Mr. Moya, who grew up playing soccer on the public fields in Flushing Meadows, said he would sponsor a bill in the Assembly, though the die-hard FC Barcelona fan said he wouldn’t cheer for the new team.”

    You don’t deserve another team. All you do is talk trash about how you’re the best so you deserve more more more but then when you get the opportunity you decide you’re too cool to show up at the game. Go support that team that’s just across the river but still in your metro region. They have a beautiful stadium and are currently tied for first place.

  111. Dane96 says:

    Driving an hour is much different than sitting in traffic for two.

    Again, unless y’all been to NY to experience the constant gridlock…you just can’t understand why someone would not travel to Jersey from the Long Island area (including NYC areas and Nassau/Suffolk)>

  112. Dane96 says:

    I have no idea where my full response said. But let me be clear.

    1. Metro North, and I should have been clearer, does not go to the site. You transfer to the No. 7…but what it opens up is an ease of transfer that the Path does not have.

    2. CT, last I checked, is serviced by Metro North.

    3. The bottom line is the transport system to the Flushing site is more advanced, quicker and easier for masses to get to. Irrespective, it doesn’t matter b/c the fan base will come from the key areas DIRECTLY supported by the Train: Bronx, Kings, Queens, Nassau and Suffolk Counties.

    As an executive for the company who is working as an integrator for the MTA’s 1.5 billion dollar expansion project, and the solutions provider for Metro North, the LIRR and PATH, I have a pretty good handle on the transit systems of the Tri-State corridor.

    I say that not to toot my horn but to impress upon you that I know the concepts like the back of my hand.

    And I lived in Manhattan for 18 years, as you stated…but NYC for 38.

    Here’s the thing…no one gives a hoot what our arguments are. The team is going in Queens and that’s the end of it. We don’t get a say…and we will see how it works out.

  113. Dane96 says:

    WTF are you talking about. NYC would never shut down for an F1 race. Are you insane?!?!?! It would paralyze the City.

    And NYC is not exactly a “racing” hotbed, unless you count the land my childhood home was located on, which in the early 1900′s was one of the biggest car racing and then converted horse tracks in the world at the time.

    Where do you people come from. Rhetorical.

  114. Dane96 says:

    And the funny thing, I don’t think there was a Formula 1 race in the US for nearly 4 years before the Weehawken nonsense.

    This is not an F1 country.

  115. Dane96 says:

    LOL.

    Bad sports fans in NYC.

    This…has completely gone off the rails. I am sure the fans of the Yankees, Mets, Islanders, Rangers, Knicks, soon to be Brooklyn Nets, Mets minor league baseball, Yankees minor league baseball, St. John’s basketball, Jets and Giants all beg to differ.

    Holy crap.

  116. kevdflb says:

    I agree with your assessment of the site.
    Just not this statement:
    “It takes 16 minutes by train to get from Penn Station to Flushing on Metro North,”

    Metro north does not go to either of those places. After East Side Access is complete, it may serve Penn – but still not Flushing.
    I think you meant “LIRR” is all.

    And if you have such a good handle, you should know the difference between the LIRR and Metro-North :)
    I know, its a simple mistake. Just making fun of you a little is all.

  117. kevdflb says:

    “Deserve” Ha!

    This has nothing to do with deserving, just where the money is.

  118. bryan says:

    i still can’t believe that idiot Moya wouldn’t cheer for them. THAT is what is holding soccer in this country back. this guy is a NY politician and he won’t support the team in the part of town he REPRESENTS?!?! $20 says he is a Mets fan.

    unless he is a fan of another MLS team, the only good thing about this guy is that he supports getting a team there. elitist jerk. band wagon Barca fan. this guy was born and raised in Queens. pathetic.

  119. shao2007 says:

    Apologies in regard to the grass field. Still have Giants stadium visions in my head.

    True I am not as good a fan as I should be. I buy tickets, watch the games on tv, and talk up the team to friends. However, I have made the horrible fan move of wasting my tickets and skipping a game just because I didn’t feel like leaving NYC to go to Jersey.

    Just not fully invested or identify with the team like I am for the USMNT or fans of the Carribeam Cup are.

  120. The Imperative Voice says:

    Laughable? They will fill Meadowlands to see Argentina, or partially fill it for Beckham; they will not even fill RB Park for an ordinary MLS game. FACT.

    How can I possibly compare it? Dallas is the same way. Hand them a high dollar international friendly and they will fill Cowboys Stadium. Have an ordinary MLS game and you will hear how it’s a long drive to Frisco, etc.

    Some cities are ripe for domestic soccer, some have a snob quotient that affects actual MLS interest.

    And I have looked at the historical Cosmos attendance where you can see the difference between NYC and NJ attendance. It is a MYTH that NJ is what dooms NY/NJ soccer. The Cosmos used to pull 30K + in NJ, better than their NYC years.

  121. The Imperative Voice says:

    The event was theorized for Staten Island, not Manhattan, but carry on. Paralyze the city, etc.

    Not a racing hotbed, oh, ignore Watkins Glen, the desire to hold the race right across the river in NJ, etc.

    And my point is that it is simply easier to get things done in NJ. There will not be borough backs to scratch. There will not be $100 million-plus land prices — not even the stadium, land!

    I think NYC as an idea is great but the practical difficulties are why so few things end up there.

  122. shao2007 says:

    Driving 2 hours to go see your team hardly means more than you have 2 extra hours of free time in your day.

    Travel time is downtime that I could be getting paid for (I get paid at an hourly rate). The Rent is Too Damn High in NY.
    MLS needs to start winning the battle for attention and make itself more relevant in the sports landscape.

    We fans will come and MLS as a whole will prosper if the Cosmos/NY2 fully embraces the NYC glitz, glamour, and style.

  123. The Imperative Voice says:

    There used to be F1 races at the Glen, and then Indy (which became a tire fiasco), and beginning this year in Austin. NY is the theoretical second US race, not just the first.

    The US may have a modest day to day F1 following but the Indy F1 race was well-attended while it existed, the Indy 500 itself gets massive crowds, and there is a latent NASCAR market of tons of people that both Indycar and F1 would like to tap.

    But my point is that if you know the NY F1 history of late, they wanted to race upstate on a private course, then in NYC in Staten Island, and eventually it became a NJ race looking across the river at NYC. The idea of something in NY is often easier than NY in practice.

  124. Adam M, says:

    I am a Red Bulls season tix holder who lives in Queens. Anyone who suggests Queens is a bad site, or can’t support a team, flat doesnt know what in the world they are talking about. And it will help the Red Bulls to have city competition.

  125. kevdflb says:

    It says in the article, he is a Barcelona fan.

  126. Seamus says:

    If MLS is financing the stadium then it’s not as bad a deal as it sounds.

  127. jya says:

    was it that much for the other clubs that joined did Vancouver and Montreal pay that much?

  128. Dane96 says:

    The more you write…the more you expose your stupidity. First, stop using Wikipedia. I would expect and adult to know that.

    Second, the “NYC” years were spent at Hofstra and their 4500 seat stadium (before it was expanded to the current configuration); Downing Stadium on Randalls Island, currently Ichan Stadium. They played two years in Yankee Stadium.

    Attendance rose dramatically when Pele arrived…they turned away tens of thousands of people at Downing Stadium, precipitating the move back to Yankee Stadium. The Meadowlands gave them a sweetheart deal…allowing the team to spend even more to bring in the Cosmos as we all knew it.

    Other than that one season at Downing and one at Yankee Stadium, the Pele’less years were filled with misfits on the team.

    So…you are making silly comparisons. Did I mention you are making comparisons of nearly 40 years ago.

    Lot’s changed.

  129. Dane96 says:

    Fair enough. I was typing quickly because I was sick of all the whiny bitching going on here.

    You are correct…and I did mean teh LIRR…not Metro North. Connecting service only on that.

  130. Dane96 says:

    Just shut up already. The Glen.

    Watkins F’in Glen? Do you have any idea how NOT NYC that is? It’s not even in striking distance. It’s fricken the finger lakes and the Western part of the state, along the boarder w/ PA.

    Plus Formula One has not been there in YEARS…maybe even decades…not sure if 2008 or 9 they had the race they were talking about having.

    I want to be a millionaire. F1 wanted to race in Staten Island. Big fricken deal…none are happening tomorrow or in the near future.

    WTF does any of this have to do with an MLS team in Queens. NOTHING.

  131. Dane96 says:

    Genius…I know where it was “talked about” going.

    Newsflash: THE CITY–as I referred to it–are the fiver boroughs, including Staten Island. New York County, or Manhattan, is one of those boroughs. It is not THE CITY. It is part of the CITY.

    Please just stop already, you are a troll.

  132. Cavan says:

    I’ll admit it. That’s the best endorsement for an NY2 I’ve heard. I respect Red Bull fans (especially as a DC United fan) for being good fans after 17 years of futility.

    Most of the clamoring for an NY2 team have come from people who claim that they can’t support the Red Bulls for whatever bad reason. Hearing that such a rivalry would be good for the Red Bulls in addition to good for NY2 is more compelling.

    I hope you’re correct, Adam. We wish we had our stadium already but I can’t begrudge making money if there’s money to be made. I still worry that people from the eastern side of the New York region will still turn their collective nose up at NY2 but I acknowledge that you’re a New Yorker and I’m a Washingtonian so by definition you better understand your local market.

  133. abc says:

    MLS teams don’t need as much “spending money” in the area to function as other leagues. NY and LA met areas have 1/7 the US population. They are actually extremely UNDERrepresented in the sports sphere because there is no “one or two per city” thing you have to look at it per capita. Look at how many EPL teams there are in London, 5-6 with another 2-3 potential ones (West Ham, etc.). And EPL teams need FAR more money than MLS teams to function. LA and NY could each support HALF A DOZEN MLS teams EACH without any problem.

  134. Matt says:

    Man those Italians are racist.