Zimmerman blasts national team set-up

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One-time U.S. youth international Preston Zimmerman doesn't have a single cap for the senior U.S. national team, and while it wasn't likely that he'd be receiving his first call-up sometime soon anyway based on his current level of play and club standing, he didn't do himself any favors by using social media to voice his opinion about the current U.S. set-up.

Zimmerman, a 23-year-old Washington native currently playing for German third-division side SV Darmstadt 98, went off on Jurgen Klinsmann and the state of the U.S. program via his Twitter feed on Wednesday, centering his argument on the fact that all of the dual-nationality, German-American call-ups on the national team take away from the genuine, American aspect of the team.

In a series of consecutive tweets Zimmerman wrote:

"I thought it would be cool getting Klinsmann as US National team coach, but I think it's actually worse than when Bradley was coach….

"Requirements to get on US National team under Klinsmann: Be a fake American, be born outside the US, have one US distant relative

"I see the team is calling in guys who are really germans who know they've got no chance of playing for germany so they'll settle with the US

"Thats embarrassing when a good friend of mine says he met one of the guys @ the airport & he couldnt reply back in English as US Natl player

"I try my hardest not to tweet US soccer stuff but there are some stuff out there that drive me crazy

"Don't mistake any of my tweets for jealousy, I never expect to be called in or involved with anything and it doesn't hurt my feelings

"I would just like to see true, real Americans who would live and die for this country representing our country

"But when the olympic team holds mini-camps in Germany with all 'european players' then something is wrong

"The kids in college are just as good, if not better, than some of the kids from the reserve teams getting invited to camp

"But the college kids don't speak German and they don't have ties outside the US so they don't qualify for the US under Klinsmann

"Am I the only one here who thinks this or are there others? People have to speak up when they don't like what's going on

"If Klinsmann was winning and very successful with his approach then my words would carry no weight, but I don't see any success

"squeaking out 1-0 wins against CONCACAF villages isn't success…..

"People can bash me for whatever reason, but I hate seeing my country's national team being misused and disrespected

"I know plenty of guys who are in the MLS and know what it's like to play for their country who deserve a look for the US team

"I hope the US team wins and dominates just as much as anybody else because it's my country and I want my country to be #1 and dominate

"Don't want anybody to take my tweets negatively or as criticism to make somebody look bad, I just have passion and interest in the US team"

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What do you make of Zimmerman's comments? Do you agree with him? Think he's way off base?

Share your thoughts below.

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405 Responses to Zimmerman blasts national team set-up

  1. klinny says:

    I don’t even like Klinsmann but Zimmerman is an idiot.

  2. Themansbag says:

    Haters gonna hate…

  3. Jamie Z. says:

    Nice try, Mr. Klinsmann.

  4. RobU says:

    LOL @ the college kids being as good as the Euro league guys. Oh and Preston, the camp that you speak of took place while the college season was still going so they couldn’t have been called in. Do your homework before running your mouth (err…fingers).

    I fail to see one instance where a German-American has been given preferential treatment over a “full-blooded” American.

    The only case you could make is Alfredo Morales’ callup which he didn’t deserve at the time. But sometimes you have to think about the future with some of these callups.

  5. ahha says:

    DRAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    suddenly the USMNT just turned into England

  6. marco says:

    It’s a bit ironic that a Zimmerman playing in Germany would criticize the international make-up of the USMNT the so called melting pot. Perhaps Preston needs to look more closely at Die Mannschaft that had more than a third dual nationals on a recent roster.

  7. ahha says:

    Those “German Americans” have an American parent which makes them American. I’m sure they must be able to speak a little English. But they spent their life abroad, but I bet they celebrate 4th of July and know who George Washington is. They are American and nothing can be taken against that.

  8. Aquaman says:

    First, as far as I know Caleb Porter is the one making the decisions on who to call for the U23 training camps. He should know better than anyone who amongst the college ranks is good enough to compete internationally. Secondly, I don’t think having a US father who served in the military is a “distant relative”. I mean, I’m fine with questioning tactics, being upset about the losing, but every single country out there should be trying to find every option they have as far as who they can bring onto their US team. I think he’s giving a lot of weight to Klinsmann’s calling up of 3 German-Americans and paying no attention to the MLS players he has been bringing in. Bottom line, I don’t think it’s necessary to call these players “fake Americans,” it’s not his place to decide who’s American enough to play for the team and he certainly doesn’t know these German-Americans, their situations and their relationships with their American parent.

  9. Dawson says:

    I think the irony is that he is playing for 3rd division German side. Why not try some club soccer in the U.S., if he is so hung up on representing the flag. Also, I believe that the children born to U.S. servicemen as is the case with most of the German-Americans on the team grew up where they grew up as result of their parents’ occupation rather than some sordid attempt to have an alternative path to international soccer stardom.

  10. SadUSfan says:

    I am on Zimmerman’s side. If you can’t speak English, you are not an American. Therefore, you should not be on the US national team because you are only on the team because Germany doesn’t want you.

    Guys, I don’t know how to make us a superpower in the soccer world. But surely, we won’t do it with Germany’s retreads.

  11. whateverman says:

    Zimmerman may have even the smallest amount of reasoning for his tirade, but it makes him look very petty and insane. Dude, you’re playing in 3 Bundesliga. Even when he was in Austria, he was doing better. Come back to MLS and re-start.

  12. Cory says:

    I would say he is spot on, he is sPeaking as a proud fan and proud of his nationality, these germans arent

  13. the old grey mullet says:

    I think the point that anyone playing for the US should be doing so out of a feeling of dedication to our country, rather than ‘national team convenience’, is valid though.

    Taking Germans out of it, I always got the feeling JF Torres wanted to play for the US, Edgar Castillo just seemed to be filling a need.

    Don’t care what you look like, talk like, etc, but you should self-identify as an American to a very large degree, not just as someone who considers themselves from country X, but plays for the US because ours is an easier national team to get on than a UEFA side.

    That is all.

    PS> Also, it’s the off-season, and a slow news day. Let’s not make this out to be some sort of sea change in the USMNT player pool moment, cause it ain’t.

  14. adam says:

    “Thats embarrassing when a good friend of mine says he met one of the guys @ the airport & he couldnt reply back in English as US Natl player…”I would just like to see true, real Americans who would live and die for this country representing our country

    motives aside, shouldnt this be what it’s all about? whether they’re german or otherwise, in this respect i feel like he has a point….

  15. SadUSfan says:

    He never said American soccer > German soccer. He said Americans on the USMNT > Germany’s 5th team on the USMNT.

    Don’t put words in his mouth. He was very clear with his message.

  16. klinny says:

    German/Turk players have to choose between the two. Why does it matter who suits up for the US as long as they produce results?

  17. SadUSfan says:

    None of them are dedicated to our country. That’s why ALL OF THEM would abandon the US in A SPLIT SECOND if Germany came calling.

    And you guys are proud of having these guys represent us?

    I’d rather be pathetic forever than have a bunch of German 5th teamers destroying our team culture.

  18. Dan says:

    What an idiot.

    Seriously.

    What.

    An.

    Idiot.

    “Requirements to get on US National team under Klinsmann: Be a fake American, be born outside the US, have one US distant relative”

    Who the F are you to say what a “real” and “fake” American is? Not to mention, while there is certainly a German influence, the vast majority of the players that have played under Klinsmann are actually from here. It’s a matter of finding the best players.

    “But when the olympic team holds mini-camps in Germany with all ‘european players’ then something is wrong

    David Bingham, Sean Johnson, Jon Kempin, Greg Garza, Perry Kitchen, Zarek Valentin, Sheanon Williams, Amobi Okugo, Luis Gil, Joe Corona, Dilly Duka, Jose Villareal, Jack McInerney, Teal Bunbury, Omar Salgado, and Juan Agudelo all would disagree with that assessment.

    “The kids in college are just as good, if not better, than some of the kids from the reserve teams getting invited to camp”

    Would love to see an example, chief. Broad, unsubstantiated statements are easy to make.

    “I know plenty of guys who are in the MLS and know what it’s like to play for their country who deserve a look for the US team.”

    Again, point to ONE example. Klinsmann hasn’t exactly held being from the MLS against guys like Kyle Beckerman and Brek Shea.

    “Don’t want anybody to take my tweets negatively or as criticism to make somebody look bad, I just have passion and interest in the US team”

    You virtually accuse Klinsmann of discriminating based on language and nationality, but yeah, not criticism or meant to make somebody look bad.

    What a freaking idiot.

  19. The Dude says:

    Finally someone says what many fans and players have no doubt been thinking since this summer.

  20. SadUSfan says:

    German/Turk = Mexican/American

    Not German/American.

    Next.

  21. Soft Erections says:

    “Thats embarrassing when a good friend of mine says he met one of the guys @ the airport & he couldnt reply back in English as US Natl player”

    To hear that guys PLAYING FOR OUR NATIONAL TEAM cant hold a conversation in English hurts.

    I’m honestly looking for a better soccer product on the field and if searching outside the box will help, than of course I’m for it. But just get them a damn Rosetta stone to complete before coming to camp

    I definitely agree with Zimmerman that as an American, seeing something like that would hurt

  22. marco says:

    Also, calling fathers distant relatives is derogatory at best.

  23. Ian says:

    I agree somewhat with some of his sentiments. Simply being in Germany, regardless of nationality seems to give players a leg-up in Klinsmann’s system.

    What has Ricardo Clark done lately, short of playing in Germany to merit a return to the side, even if it is for Camp Cupcake? When last I checked he was barely making the 18 for a Bund2 side..I’ve got nothing against Clark, even if he cost us big in 2010 but I can’t understand what warrants the call-up short of a clear bias from JK. Initials that are starting to have a lot of meaning..it’s feeling more and more like a practical joke on us.

  24. Dan says:

    “Live and die” for this country is a HILARIOUS phrase for this bitter, 3rd Division loser to use considering the Germans on the team have fathers who were only in Germany because they were serving the US.

    So no, another epic fail in a series of them.

  25. DingDong says:

    Yawn…. So, in actual news, the Galaxy and TFC will be playing outside in Toronto in March.

  26. Jamie Z. says:

    This mentality makes me cringe. It’s far too simple a treatment of a complex issue. I’ll save you and everybody else the rant, but I’d rather the players themselves have the right to choose where their allegiances lie than some guy with a half-baked opinion about what makes what.

    I, personally, welcome our German-born players with open arms.

  27. Rolando says:

    I knew this was going to happen, the same thing happened to Mexico when they were capping naturalized citizens. I kinda get where hes comming from, as i would also like to see most of the NATS born here, but if a bunch of germans can win, its whatever..

  28. WeathermanNX01 says:

    Light match, burn bridge.

    Yes, Klinsi is bringing in a lot of GERMAN-AMERICANS. He’s not using them all. But if they want to play and are eligible, there’s no harm in it.

    And how about that Italian team with the Italian Rossi? Oh wait…. Were hardly the only ones to do it.

    Get over it.

  29. D says:

    He’s in the third division; I imagine some/several collegeplayers are better than the reserve side for the third division clubs.

  30. Jamie Z. says:

    And how do you have any way of knowing that? How do you have any idea of knowing how these guys feel about their American heritage? Because I’ll save you the trouble: you don’t.

  31. Stoop says:

    I understand what he’s saying and have empathy for the desire to have a “national” character of any team, but at the end of the day, Klinsmann or any other coach is hired to do just one thing: win. I am confident–and perhaps I shouldn’t be, I don’t know–that somebody of Klinsmann’s experience would take the best players available. I really think it is that simple.

  32. Big Chil says:

    Ouch, Ives. I know this guy’s a nobody, but by making him news you’re worsening his self-damage.

  33. EARL says:

    i think he’s right

  34. klinny says:

    An American airmen must have boned his mom and he’s just jealous.

  35. RobU says:

    I’m referring to the reserve players that get called into the U-23 camps. Players that play for clubs like BVB, Hertha Berlin, and the like.

  36. masterful approach says:

    Playas gonna play…

  37. Dan says:

    -10000000000

    That was just idiotic.

    Ricardo Clark hasn’t even freaking played under Klinsmann. He got called into Camp Cupcake. Big. Freaking. Deal.

  38. Dillon says:

    Your argument is the exact one the Founding Fathers sought to defeat by not establishing a national language. I always find it amusing when people claim others are not American enough even though American citizenship was established to be the most open and inclusive of any country on Earth. Openness and inclusiveness are core values of the United States, to think that we should apply any less admirable values to our athletic teams is ridiculous.

  39. jb says:

    Preston who? Sounds like sour grapes. Wonder why he’s never been called up.

  40. ctmo says:

    Rossi can speak Italian, and he’s proud to wear the Italian shirt.

  41. Troy says:

    Preston, we know you’re reading this. First off, let me say that its ballsy to speak your mind on this. You clearly aren’t afraid of looking petty because you didn’t get on the team, although that’s exactly how it looks. Maybe its a slow USMNT news day and Ives needs to sell some ads but I don’t see anyone else echoing your ideas.

    All in all it sounds a little too right-wing, “keep all ‘dem Mexicans and Natz-uhs out of our good ol’ Red White an Blue!”

    Germans can also become US citizens: get over it.
    A coach has connections from his past: get over it.
    Being American doesn’t mean you have to be from Ohio: get the eff over it.

  42. Tolvinho says:

    I have several concerns about a team “full” of players who grow up abroad but they aren’t founded in xenophobia.

    The first is lulling ourselves into a sense of accomplishment on the development front when there shouldn’t be one. The reality is that we are not consistently producing players the caliber of Clint Dempsey or Landon Donovan and we need to be. We can’t mask that failure by co-opting 18- to 23-year-old players who grew up playing in Germany or elsewhere. All credit for their development goes to Germany, not us.

    The second concern has to do with the American perception, much stronger 20 years ago than today, that soccer is a foreign game and not American. Clint Dempsey has an American attitude towards the game, a certain swagger and ruggedness that you often don’t find in players from other countries. When you promote foreign-born players, you lose SOME of the ability (a) to disabuse everyday Americans of the “foreign” stigma and (b) promote players that would do just that. The flip side is that Americans like winning, and a successful team with five players from Germany may help the sport grow here. There’s an inherent trade-off here though.

    The third concern has to do with style. Klinsi wants to develop an “American” style of playing – high pressure, possession-oriented, offensive soccer. That’s great. I love it. But is that style appropriate if you can’t do it with the home-grown personnel you have? Perhaps once you’ve implemented the style and can mold youth programs around it, you fix the chicken and the egg problem. But it better be a long-term commitment, not a four-year experiment.

    The reality is that foreign-born players are woven into the fabric of soccer in this country, all the way back to Joe Gaetjens and through to Earnie Stewart and Thomas Dooley. Let’s not forget that history but be mindful of the risks it poses to developing an affirmatively American attitude and approach to the game, I say.

  43. Al_OC says:

    So, if you can’t speak English then you wouldn’t live and die for the US? What kind of logic is that?

    Let’s give these kids a chance. When Jones first joined the USMNT, he needed a translator. look at how far he’s come today.

    Besides, if JK didn’t call these guys, then he’ll be butchered for not recognizing talent and/or for letting them slip thru the system.

  44. No says:

    F’n xenophobe. Shut up.

  45. Vic says:

    Zimmerman makes some valid points, however as long as Fifa allows its coutries will continue to call up players that qualify based on the rules. You can’t really blame Klinnmann, there’s pressure on him to win and he’s playing by rules he didn’t create. I just hope a scenario doesnt arise where USA gets major success in soccer and people criticize it for not fielding real American players.

  46. maka says:

    Lovers gonna love…

  47. sandtrout says:

    I agree it’s a complex issue, but I share Preston’s disillusionment with Jurgen’s reliance on Germericans. I think Preston’s right that these guys are settling for the U.S. team. I find that embarrassing.

    What’s particularly troubling to me is that Klinsmann seems to be scouring Germany for these guys. I’d welcome them if they want to play here and have a right to play here, but I find this desperate hunt for foreign kids with an American parent to be disheartening.

  48. EDB says:

    Rossi went over to italy at a young age..not apples to apples there.. better comparisons out there..

  49. Troy says:

    Good points, but do you or anyone want to wait 18-20 years until we “develop from scratch” players who can compete better? I’d rather use every rule we can to get the best team available and at the same time improve our development (which will take decades to improve).

  50. MC Pharaoh says:

    Anybody that calls him an idiot simply dont get it. I agree that saying college players better than euro based is crazy, but otherwise he is spot on. Many US fans feel the same way. We dont feel as extreme about the foreign loyalty, but otherwise like I said he is within his rights to feel this way..

  51. sandtrout says:

    Amen

  52. Andy says:

    Just sounds bitter to me

  53. jb says:

    Ives is just doing his job. Zimmerman has no one but himself to blame for what comes of this. Some of the posts here are surprising, maybe this needs to be discussed.

  54. Johnny Ramone says:

    If Zimmerman were any good, he’d get the call up.

  55. Dillon says:

    We live in an interconnected world and these xenophobes stuck in the 19th century need to realize this. Immigration and multiculturalism are what has made the United States great.

  56. sandtrout says:

    You don’t see anyone echoing his ideas because anyone with a hint of a chance to play for Klinsmann would not say it out loud. You can be guaranteed that many of the Americans (ones who actually grew up here) competing for the team are thinking what Preston said and even saying it in private conversations.

    The Mexican comparison is not good. Mexico is our neighbor and there are millions of dual citizens, or potential dual citizens, many of whom have lived on both sides of the border. Also, Klinsmann is German, not Mexican, and thus favoring dual nationals from Germany.

    As much as it’s Klinsmann’s right to choose the team he wants, it’s the fan’s right (and the player’s right) to criticize his choices, especially when he’s repeatedly going overseas for players with a tenuous connection to this country.

  57. GetOffTheFence says:

    The one way I can agree with Preston is the passion for the country above soccer. if you are a Timothy Chandler and you do not commit to US no matter what then I don’t want you on my team. to play for the friendliest but not sanctioned tournaments that binds to US then I you do not deserve to wear the colors. Should,t be able to have it both ways even if FIFA says okay.

  58. Taylor says:

    he may be irrational, but many of his points are correct. klinsmann clearly prefers the dual internationals(not that bradley didn’t flirt with them also) over MLS guys. to be quite honest, these german-americans are good and clearly superior in technical ability, but it’s not like they have revolutionized the team. they are capable, but nothing unique that we haven’t already seen. it baffles me at times to see klinsmann putting Fabian Johnson, Danny Williams, and Jermaine Jones on the field at the same time, the first 2 in attacking roles and even as wingers, when they are all defensive midfielders at their club. if people don’t realize that bradley haters used to go on and on about this exact same situation, with different players, then they have conventiently short memories

  59. Lisa NYC says:

    While he makes some interesting points, the “real American” and “concacaf village” lines are simply ignorant. All of our German Americans are citizens with an American parent. I hope they know English, but do we want to have a language requirement for our team?

    What about our naturalized players: Holden, Benny F, Adu and Aguedelo? Being born in Colombia I bet Juan’s first language is Spanish. Zimmerman may say that Juan is “real” but using the xenophobic terms in his tweets, who knows? Do he want to alienate our Latino players?

  60. fish says:

    Indeed. I was going to just say he’s an idiot, but you spelled it out nicely

  61. rob says:

    He’s got a valid point about Klinnsmanns bias against full Americans.

  62. Chris says:

    I think this Zimmerman character needs to bone up on his history. The U.S. National teams that played in the early World Cups were made up entirely (if not, almost entirely) of amateur immigrants, most had only lived in the country for a few years, and in some cases left shortly after serving on the national team. The U.S. is A MELTING POT!!!! Almost everyone that lives here has come from some where else. How dare he make judgement on who’s a “real” American! The fact that he’s talking pot-shots from THE GERMAN THIRD DIVISION! just makes his statements even more ridiculous. While I can understand his stance (to a point) on the language barrier, and the same goes for some of the Mexican-American players, but that hardly reason to question their place on the National team.

  63. Troy says:

    Dual-citizenry is the point. I’m very happy for you that you are open minded about Mexican-Americans but the majority of people with similar views to this guy on citizenship would likely disagree.

    Noone else is saying the same things, not even soccer pundits or coaches who have no stake in the playing for Klinsmann. It’s actually a good thing in my opinion and I think it shows a more free-thinking spirit in US soccer culture.

    By the comments on this thread most people don’t seem to mind Klinsmann’s choices (taking into account Preston’s as well as his friends and family’s multiple posts).

  64. jayrig5 says:

    Why should they be able to? Children of American soldiers/airmen/sailors serving in Germany, who therefore grew up in Germany, should have made a concentrated effort to learn English? Why? Because they needed it in school? Oh, wait, they didn’t. You’re saying they should have anticipated being good enough at soccer (or any other sport) to represent the United States? Because the people in question are all, at the oldest, in their early twenties. Did you speak two languages by then? If so, good for you, but that puts you in an extreme minority.

    You really have to look at the situation, which I know isn’t a popular thing. No one likes to study subtlety and nuance. But it really does help sometimes.

    Would you like to meet the player’s father and tell him that his son shouldn’t be allowed to play for the United States? I would love to see that conversation.

  65. hartley says:

    I am wondering when free speech disappeared. The guy’s got the right to voice his opinion whether any of us think he is right or not.

    Besides, we all know that every national team is a big political game from top to bottom. And that’s the real shame. Often the best players never get to play for their country because of the politics involved.

    Take for example that Brazil could field at least three or four teams that could win the World Cup. But many of those players will never see the field for Brazil — and not because they aren’t good enough. They are good enough to play for teams all around the world, but not for Brazil. All due to the political system that cuts them out of the process.

  66. david says:

    is there anything better to report or just a slow day?

  67. KenC says:

    “Be a fake American”

    “”I would just like to see true, real Americans who would live and die for this country representing our country”

    Wow, just wow. The dual-nationals that he presumably is referring to are all the off-spring of US military. Yes, those REAL Americans who did risk their lives for the US, representing our country. Their children are REAL Americans.

    BTW, isn’t Zimmerman’s ancestry German? You’d think he’d understand the German-American issues better.

  68. klinny says:

    His CONCACAF village comment pisses me off. Ignorant bigot. We’ve often struggled with these nations and not just under the new coach.

  69. marco says:

    Preston seems to be unhappy with US citizenship requirements, FIFA requirements, and has his own personal beliefs on who should be eligible for both. The bottom line is that all countries are merely required to follow the law. Super nationality requirements for sports is a slippery slope that hint of racism. Imposing language requirements is definitely something FIFA should stay away from.

  70. Really? says:

    Except that in many cases these players today don’t live here. They aren’t melting into the pot at all. They are just representing us while living and playing abroad. I think there is a difference there.

  71. AntiJrodius says:

    Using Chandler’s refusal for the GC is a bad example. Brad Friedel retired early to focus on club, Bobby Zamora and Ashley Young skipped out on the WC for club, doesnt mean Friedel is a fake American or Zamora and Young are fake Englishmen. Let me ask you, if Chandler finally gets cap tied, will u take back what you said?

  72. T says:

    I don’t even want none of the above…

  73. PD says:

    Oh come on, Jermaine Jones has seen limited minutes under JK, and one Kyle Beckerman kind of flies in the face of the anti-MLS hoo-hah. I can’t think of a single major player prospect from any area of the US player diaspora that has been forsaken for a German-American simply be merit of the dual passport. It’s an interesting statement but there’s just no data.

  74. AntiJrodius says:

    Free speech works like this, you are free to say whatever you want, and we are free to have our own opinions on what you say. Having rights go both ways. Remember that its not like he is getting arrested for saying all this, but we have every right to criticize him.

  75. Kosh says:

    It’s amazing the little events that can tell you a great deal about a person. At the end of the day this is soccer we are talking about here – a freaking game. We are ready to rate and class fellow Americans because of the circumstances of their birth or where they were raised? The children of fellow Americans who put on the uniform to fight and defend our country are being described as “second rate Germans?” The cirterion for being a “real American” is the ability to speak a language that is not even our national language? This is sad at least and sickening at best – all around pathetic and disgraceful.

    But if we bring it back to the parameter of measuring one’s Americanism(?) to English and the game – how do you define Rossi, who is as American as they come but just chose to play somewhere else?

    To say Timmy Chandler and company do not share the passion as theothers is either ignorant – in the sense you’ve never seen him play or in the other darker, nastier sense of the word. Both are sad scenarios.

  76. Marlon says:

    You’re conveniently forgetting Danny Williams being close to tears of joy during the national anthem of his first USA cap.

  77. gigi says:

    I want to piss on you

  78. EDB says:

    to be fair, most germans speak at least 1 or 2 foreign languages.. you can’t compare the bilingual averages of americans with that of germans.

  79. jon says:

    tim chandler speaks english.

  80. AntiJrodius says:

    uhhh… Dempsey plays for us and lives abroad. Holden was born outside of this country and lives abroad (he did live here for a while though). Best example is Diskerud, he is pretty foreign but he DENIED Norway’s call ups. Using Zimmerman’s logic, Diskerud shouldnt be part of the US, Senna shouldnt play for Spain, and Guillermo Franco shouldnt play for Mexico.

  81. marco says:

    Well said

  82. Tyler says:

    You embarrass not only yourself but your country with these comments. The US ha never had an official language and I guarantee everyone posting on this aricle has at least one relative who could not speak English when they arrived in this country. While its true they may realize their chances of going to a WC are greater with the US who are you to make requirements about participation on our national team. Their fathers are men who fought for, loved and were willing to die for what America represents. If you don’t respect that then God help you because you are in dire need it.

  83. Andy says:

    Considering these German players had fathers in the US Military, who actually were willing to put their lives on the line for the USA, I find any inference that they are not deserving of wearing a USMNT jersey insulting.

    If putting your life on the line for your country doesn’t grant your kids the right to represent it in a SPORT, then something is seriously wrong.

  84. The idea of a "real American" is racist says:

    And in many instances are US servicemen, folks who have taken an oath to be prepared to die for the USA. A little different from suburban soccer moms and white collar dads who spend their time in the office shtupping their secretary…

  85. AntiJrodius says:

    For foreign development… Donovan shouldnt be part of the US, he was partly developed in Leverkusen, Lleguet is in West Ham development, so are u saying both shouldnt be part of the US.

  86. Diego says:

    I don’t see this or at least we’re too soon in the cycle to be able to call this. Tons and tons of players have been called in and seen. Much too soon to say that German-Americans are taking spots from locally developed talent.

  87. Francois says:

    You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to Fabian Johnson, and haven’t seen him play at the club level. Fabian is an ATTACKING MIDFIELDER, that is where he plays. You need to be research before you post stuff, man.

  88. chris says:

    I kind of agree with what he says. I have no problem what color you are but I do agree some may be getting an adavntage to being foreign born. I was at the U-23 camp last week for a little and i thought that royal-dominuque guy was garbage. He looked sloppy and way out of his league and from the college games i have been to there are definetley more talented players out there. I here all this hype about Diskurued but to be honest he looked soft and didnt look comfortable at all.

    Also you cant really compare them to Germany’s dual nationals because they have actually grew up in Germany and played in their youth teams.

    I respect the guy for voicing his opinion even if it makes him looked bad

  89. cairo says:

    I am happy to welcome the best players eligible to play for the US team under the current rules. This is not liife or death, its a sport, so all the “real americans” stuff is just silly. I get the sentiment to an extent, but zimmerman’s tone suggest his problem goes beyond soccer to problems with game. I think ideally the guys should identify on some level with this country, and as far as I can tell, they all do. I could care less about english given that millions of US citizens don’t speak english fluently or as a first lqnguage. Zimmerman’s commmments suggest he has issues far beyoond this gam

  90. marco says:

    ‘Real Americans’ is a term often used by bigots and racists. If you want to impose a language requirement change the constitution, not Klinsmann.

  91. chris says:

    Most US service men have left them for the US

  92. chris says:

    but they have lived in the US at one time. The US government seems to disagree with you since children born here are automatically citizens while children of Americans born outside the country have to apply for citizenship

  93. AntiJrodius says:

    U do realize that the same can apply for most USMNT players right? Most Americans born in USA have dual citizenship, but most are not good enough to play for other countries or the other countries are just too weak. Donovan and Bunbury could have chosen Canada, Spector could have chosen Germany. And the ones who are good enough, have left. Rossi is one, and a few other guys like Danny Potts’s father and that one 17 yr old LB for Blackburn and is a Wales u19. The question should be, “How many American-born players are real Americans who play for the US despite being good enough to play for a better country?” Every American in that position has FAILED that test so far.

  94. Michael Vann says:

    Preston is certainly entitled to his opinion and has every right to say whatever he likes. I actually give him props for having the balls to speak out. However, I would have preferred it to be in an interview instead of social media. That being said a 3rd division player probably doesn’t lend itself to many interviews ;) I don’t share the same feelings as Preston but I get where he’s coming from. Dual American nationals are spread from coast to coast, sea to sea around the world and I’m quite okay with them repping the US provided there’s a love and admiration for the US. He argues the do not the love and aren’t “American”. That’s cool. That’s one dude’s opinion. No skin off my back.

  95. 99 says:

    A huge LOL at the end of my day. Thanks!

  96. hartley says:

    I totally agree. It just seems some folks are putting him down for having an opinion, period. These are the same people that think they are always right about everything.

  97. AntiJrodius says:

    U do realize that these Germ-Americans are REALLY good right? If that doesnt matter, then how about this loophole in Preston’s argument, only 4-5 of the 30 players called into camp were German-born. And the latest roster had mostly MLS players, clearly there is a German bias going on.

  98. AntiJrodius says:

    U will find that lots of Americans living in the US cant speak English very well. Wanna call them fake Americans too? I can speak Spanish, does that make me a Spaniard? Language isnt everything.

  99. marco says:

    ‘If you can’t speak English, you are not an American.’

    you don’t make the laws pal

  100. Really? says:

    That’s what you think my point was? To say that Dempesy is un-american for playing abroad? He lived her for the first 22 years of his life!!

    I’m just saying that I agree that the U.S. is a melting pot, but that if you never once live in the states, you aren’t in the pot at all.

  101. Really? says:

    And I understand that the “early” world cup teams were made up of immigrants, but they lived here at one time. Has Jones, Hurzelar, or Fabian Johnson ever lived here?

  102. boosted335 says:

    haha nice work fellas

  103. Dune Man says:

    Funny….oh well…he is on the USMNT team radar again now ;-)

  104. chris says:

    I dont really thinks he’s racist i think he is saying he would rather have players that have grown up in the US playing US Soccer so the national team better represents what we have produced.

  105. maeio says:

    +1 Thank You, best response here.

  106. Taylor says:

    i dont think Klinsmann really has anything against MLS, you’re right about Beckerman and Shea obviously is his go to guy. but you can’t argue that he is putting square pegs into circular holes with these German guys just so he can put them in the system. Morales? what was that about? yea he didn’t play, but the kid is a reserve team guy on a 2.Bundelsiga team, don’t tell me there aren’t plenty of guys in MLS that could have come into that camp with the full team

    and i dont think Johnson is a bad player, im glad we have him, but its absurd to see so many of these guys on the pitch at the same time, who i think would take a Germany call up in a skinny minute over us given the chance. its not a coincidence that a German coach comes in and has a clear bias towards German players who play in Germany

    and another thing, don’t take my comments for any xenophobic kind of thing. these guys are as American as many many people who live in America. there fathers served in the military, so im not discounting their pride for their American heritage. but i do agree with zimmerman that they seem to just be cutting their losses and joining us because they cant get a sniff of the German NT, and that is frankly embarrassing for us. many teams have dual nationals, but in most cases its guys who are good enough to play for anybody, and pick the better team that they are eligible for, not just taking what they can get

  107. AntiJrodius says:

    Actually Hurzeler was not only born here but raised here for his early childhood. Jones lived here for the first 3-4 years of life but left because his parents were divorced. Also, on your “living abroad” comment, I was merely commenting on the many loopholes that you created based on that sentence.

  108. AntiJrodius says:

    You dont leave your children for your country, it shouldnt work that way. It was probably because their fathers and mothers didnt have the best of relationships

  109. Powderhorn Pops says:

    SadUSfan – There is no official language in the United States of America. Period.

  110. DingDong says:

    Yep, I’m totally wrong.

  111. chris says:

    not the same thing at all they have played in the USA for an extended period of time

  112. Tremendous says:

    And I’ll tell you what else makes me sick, Zimmerman, all those guys who played on the 2007 U-20 World Cup team who failed to live up to their potential! We would have a much stronger national team today if only all of the guys on that team had continued to develop!!! (Even the one who wasn’t good enough to make the original team, but replaced Johann Smith when he got hurt.) If those players only loved their country more they would have TRULY dedicated themselves to taking themselves, and this nation, to the next level. I guess those selfish bastards just didn’t love America enough.

  113. Free speech zone says:

    Anyone can be an American. It isn’t an ethnicity/race, doesn’t require a particular set of religious beliefs, knowing a particular language and it doesn’t even require believing in a set of political or philosophical principles anymore. Truth is it is simply a legal designation re citizenship.

  114. marco says:

    Reading Zimmerman’s posts a second time lowered my opinion of him even more. There are no additional requirements beyond the US Constitution, FIFA, and ability, for making the USMNT. You need counseling mate.

  115. Thebumswillalwayslose says:

    Jesus, I feel like I’m reading commentary from Bill the Butcher on some of these posts.

    Most, if not all, of the German-Americans being brought into the fold right now are the sons of US Servicemen, who in my opinion are the most “real” and “true” Americans that exist. Should we not welcome the sons of men who were willing to risk their lives for this country into the fold of our national team? Are these sons of “real” and “true” Americans simply not Americans because their father met their mother in a foreign country and so that’s where they grew up?

  116. chris says:

    and Hurzeler just played for Germany’s U-19 in egypt kind of ruins your argument

  117. chris says:

    I meant left Germany and their kids behind and moved to the US you can re-word it however you want

  118. Powderhorn Pops says:

    Zimmerman is still a good age to sign up to help the War on Terror. He needs to do that or shut his trap. This is the poorest point in his argument – along with the needing to speak English. The US has no official language.

  119. Eric says:

    The part that confuses me the most is how Zimmerman assumes that these players (like Chandler, Jones, Williams and Johnson) are mercenaries of some sort who are only playing for the US because Germany wasn’t an option.

    First, the obvious, how does he know what they’re thinking or feeling? Language is not an indication of a connection to a particular country.

    Second, look at the actions of several of these players Zimmerman seems to be calling out. Williams publicly teared up and became emotional with his family over being called up for the US team. Hardly call that lack of connection. Jones has stated multiple times that he has felt a much greater acceptance and connection to his American teammates than he ever did to his German ones (possibly because Jones seems to exhibit traits more stereotypically associated with us? The tattoos too.) Chandler too has also publicly declared his commitment to the US despite the continuous rumors that the German federation may have interest in him now.

    Preston is entitled to his opinion, and I even like the guy after reading a few previous interviews with him, but I don’t agree with this. I’ll admit, I think it’s clear that Jurgen is showing a strong interest in German based players, but I doubt it’s due to race/nationality/language. It’s all about the best players who are, by FIFA’s definition, American. Klinsmann is a professional who has to develop a team and win to keep his job. Is anyone here really willing to say that he’s going to favor a lesser skilled or talented player over a superior one just because the weaker one is from Germany? I seriously doubt it.

    Preston, I respect you, but this sounds more like an emotional outburst than anything.

  120. GW says:

    “Clint Dempsey has an American attitude towards the game, a certain swagger and ruggedness that you often don’t find in players from other countries. When you promote foreign-born players, you lose SOME of the ability (a) to disabuse everyday Americans of the “foreign” stigma and (b) promote players that would do just that.”

    Sorry but Clint’s style and attitude isn’t exclusive to Americans. Not even close.

    It’s not an American attitude per se; it’s just that Clint is highly popular and visible in this market and mentioning it plays well here along with the whole “Don’t tread on me” and the Don’t Mess with Texas thing.

    There are foreign players with equally hard nosed attitudes many who you might not know as well. Many of them came from backgrounds as hard scrabble if not more so than Duece.

    Mark Van Bommel and many other Dutch players or Rino Gattuso and many other Italian players for example.

    Pele was one of the hardest nosed, meanest players around. He never took anything from anyone. I once saw him take Rodney Marsh out of bounds and while Marsh was still on the ground, make sure no officals were looking, and then proceed to try to break Marsh’s ribs with a few swift kicks. Marsh had been giving Pele a hard time. And don’t think Zidane was a nice guy either.

    And the original Clint (Mathis) was actually the first American player I can remember who had that

    “F++k them if they think they can stop me attitude”

    towards anyone. Unfortunately he lacked the off the field dedication,discipline and professionalism of the current Clint. Otherwise, he might have been in the conversation as the “greatest american player”.

    I don’t know Zimmerman but he had to know that he cannot be seen as being in any way objective and he does not seem to be very informed on the topic of the history of US soccer. It would have been better if he had waited until he was in the USMNT pool for him to comment. And if his sentiments were echoed by Landon and Clint then I would be more inclined to give them some weight.

    Based on what I read in SBI most US fans have only been involved for about ten years at most. They don’t realise Americans have always produced fine players,going back many, many years.

    The problem has been that there has not been a professional league for them to polish themselves.

    Has the NASL survived or if MLS had been around and as good as it is now in 1990 we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    The other thing I never see mentioned is that the US did not start this whole FIFA dual national thing.

    If anything they were way behind countries like Japan and Poland (Olisadabe, Nigerian Polish 2002 World Cup), Japan(Alex, Brazilian, Japanese 2002 World Cup), France, Italy, Holland and Germany just to name a few. They were exploiting newly minted citizens before the dual national thing came about many,many years ago.

  121. chris says:

    Alot of people here getting butt hurt over some comments. I guess that makes a racist bigot because i think FIFA should tighten their dual nationality rules

  122. robert daniels says:

    drip drip drip i’ll piss on you i’ll pee on you…

  123. RK says:

    Those Brazilians will be playing for UAE.

  124. aristophanes says:

    sure to fall on deaf ears, but, ironically, the most insightful response to Zimmerman’s comments was made by Klinsman himself, a couple months ago. See brian straus’s sporting news interview w/klinsman.

    “Klinsmann: It’s a different part of American culture. It’s the global picture that America represents. Those are kids who came through military families or for whatever reasons, working reasons of their parents, then they grow up with a different educational system, which gives them in soccer terms an edge ahead of American kids growing up in the U.S.”

    “Now you live in this dual-citizenship world that is normal. It’s globalization. It’s just the way it is. If you’re Mexican-American or you’re coming from the Caribbean, South America or Europe, everyone has a special connection to the United States.

    That shows you the path of the U.S. Not only that it’s a country of immigrants into the U.S., but it’s also an export country. It goes both ways. I met many, many Americans all over the place when I played, and they changed their perspectives about the world because they lived and adjusted to those countries where they lived. But inside they remained American.”

  125. E says:

    Zimmerman is acting in a way that is consistant with somone who wants to preserve his rational self interests. If someone wants a job or to maintain a job….less competition for the job means the more likely you will keep or get that job. He’s using irrational tweets to do it…which is pointless. A better plan is to better your skills

    I’m certain Klinsmann is looking at his best options while complying with the rules that govern international soccer.

  126. GW says:

    You can serve in the US military if you have a green card even if you do not have a passport.

    You cannot play for the USMNT unless you have a passport or are eligble for one.

    Green card holders have served and died in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Which means you can serve and die for the US even if you are not eligible to play for the USMNT.

    And “true americans” are worried about dual nationals playing a little soccer for the good old USA??

    Where is the perspective here?

  127. T says:

    Bashing the current US team is like bashing France, Germany, and to an extent Italy. All those countries have more or less players with ethnic backgrounds of other nations yet they come together and identify as Germans and proudly play for Die Manschafft. America is a multicultural society, I agree that their are Americans deserving of the team, but not everyone can play in the system for many reasons…

  128. GW says:

    The fact that:

    “many of those players will never see the field for Brazil ”

    is pretty much down to a numbers game.

    I don’t doubt that politics is an issue but it’s not the only one.

    When you have 33 guys who can all start the fact is some of them will never see the field.

    National teams play a limited number of games compared to clubs. There will be 11 who play together better than any other combination and once the manager has found that combo why should he change?

    The manager of Brazil is not a soccer mom. He doesn’t have to play everyone so their self esteem stays intact.

  129. Turd Bradley says:

    1. You have to love his passion. Passion is obvi a two way street.

    2. If I am an American that is getting snubbed bc of the dual nationals specifically german in this case then its my job to do something about it. I have to get better myself and evaluate my game to the level I will be called up. The ball does not lie and the game does not lie. If you are good enough you will get your chance.

    3. Not putting players that should be on the field bc english isnt their first language is far more criminal than, putting sub-par players on the field bc they speak english well. Again the ball never lies and the game never lies. So that point holds no water PZ.

    4. Training Camps in Europe for our euro based players makes complete sense and should have been thought of long ago. What makes more sense have all the players fly over here or have the coaches and staff fly there?

    5. PZ was given more than his far share during his youth to impress and earn his spot or at least get himself in the mix. How many players were passed over so PZ could one day play in 3rd div. Bundesliga? I would say a handful. Over the past 15 years the US has invested in dingdongs like this time and time again and got nothing in return. So why not try players from different countries? Players like PZ have had so much time, money, and energy invested in them and clearly are not getting us close to win the WC. So JK please continue to try to get us closer to winning a WC if that means selecting players produced in the german system.

    6. Mexico 4-2, after going up 2-0. GC final 2011. Enuff said . Ghana has knocked us out of the last two world cups. Something has to change. Trust me these german players are not going to win us the WC. However, they will raise the level if only a slight bit. Continuing to use any means neccessary to raise the over-all level of the Nats player pool is something any coach we have must do. Continuing to play the same players time after time does not raise the level.

  130. chris says:

    But they grow up in those countries you are missing the point

  131. Well, after 100+ comments it’s safe to say Zimmerman got the response he was looking for.

    I’m not gonna beat him up for his opinion but I will say this – utilizing ALL players who qualify for the USMNT is a no-brainer. This is exactly the same way that other nations (France comes to mind) have fielded very power teams in the past.

  132. Mattbag212 says:

    We knew with Klinsi before we hired him that he was very averse to our college and MLS academy farm system. The flaws were pointed out repeatedly when he was an analyst for ESPN during the World Cup.

    Until American players are consistently getting extensive reps all year long at both youth academies and colleges, Klinsi will prefer the European systems that do provide their players with such reps.

    As we learned in the nineties, the MLS style of game and the MLS mold of players do not yet translate well to the international stage. The national team must improve its depth and its team diversity to improve its quality of play. I agree with what Klinsi is doing and what he sees for the future.

  133. Shmenge says:

    Precisely–the terms “real Americans” and “CONCACAF villages” come from a bigot, pure and simple.

    Let’s see him say this to Jermaine Jones’s face.

    The fact that it comes from a professional soccer player who simply isn’t as talented as the players he’s insulting makes it even more outrageous.

    And questioning people’s patriotism without even knowing them?

    Zimmerman’s got the trifecta of bigotry, jealousy and libel going here. Very nice.

  134. Topher says:

    Based on his bulls*hit “real Americans” tweet, this guy is clearly a jealous xenophobic bigot that wishes he had double his talent so he’d have a chance at the national team. Case closed.

    Now go away, troll.

  135. T says:

    Some players came from colonies of that country and chose France upon getting into their clubs.

  136. predicto says:

    You get my 5 star rating for best response.

  137. Turd Bradley says:

    yo where did my comments go , they just went up in thin air
    ??????

  138. chris says:

    But how do you know the college system is flawed. If it was implemented in europe i guarantee it would still pump out players.

  139. Luke says:

    If you have a parent that is a US citizen or were born in the USA or you are a naturalized US citizen, I have no problem with them playing on the USMNT. Period!

  140. chris says:

    Yet they move to france to play

  141. Texas Boy says:

    +1000

  142. AL says:

    All Klinsman is doing is using any tools at his disposal to the job he was hired to do which is to win games. It’s not his fault the US doesn’t produce enough talented players the fill the national team.
    Maybe this guy should direct his rants to those in charge of developing players in this country.

  143. T says:

    Only because they’d devote all their time to one thing : “playing soccer”.

  144. T says:

    And it would be all year round as well.

  145. Ricky B. Free says:

    Congrats you found an idiot you can support. Taylor if you dont know about soccer why post about it. I know its a free country, but dont make yourself look like an idiot or a racist punk.

  146. Josh says:

    LMFAO!!

  147. Vic says:

    Personally I would like to see Fifa institute a rule: you either need to be born in the country or spent a plurality of your time before age 18 in that country. If your parent is Turkish but you weren’t born in Turkey and never lived in Turkey, then you shouldn’t play for Turkey. In the meantime I have no problem with USA or anyone else taking full advantage of fifa’s lax rules

  148. Luke says:

    Obviously you haven’t been following the USMNT for long. Foreign born players have always been a part of the USMNT. Many of our best players in the past 20 years were not born in the USA. Players such as Pablo Mastroeni, Ernie Stewart, Jeff Agoos, Thomas Dooley, Roy Wegerle, Tab Ramos…and many more were born in a foreign country.

  149. Josh says:

    Bravo, Dillon, Bravo. Fact-based historical truth discrediting some of the idiocy on display in here and Zimmerman’s rant. Good stuff man.

  150. Kevin_Amold says:

    Oh brother….

  151. Khan says:

    I don’t understand this kid’s argument.

    Is he saying that the German-Americans called in aren’t better than “pure Americans?” Aside from being clearly bigoted, his argument about college players being looked over is laughable at best.

    Fabian Johnson was the best player on the field for the United States in his first run out. Williams has been played very well. Jermaine Jones loves America and starts on a top Bundesliga team.

  152. hahahah says:

    No he doesn’t.

  153. wc says:

    I don’t agree with Zimmerman, but your examples aren’t very good. Adu, Holden, Benny, and Aguedelo all learned to play soccer largely in the US. They are products of the United States. That’s not exactly a trivial difference from someone like Jermaine Jones. That doesn’t make them “true Americans”, whatever that is, but it is a point worth noting.

  154. hahahah says:

    Klinsi should call him in just to get worked over by all the “fake” Americans.

  155. T says:

    CONCACAF Villages! What an idiot, that Panama “village” beat us pretty good in the GC and Costa Rica is a respectable central american side, I’d love to see the Mexican fans reaction upon hearing their teams just some village team. That is just plain ignorant to say.

  156. Jason says:

    Ding! We have a winner!

  157. Taylor says:

    YOU need to focus on the bigger point of my post, not nit pick on little parts about Johnson himself. Williams has lined up as a winger twice and is completely out of place there. if bradley had done that he would have been endlessly blasted by fans and theres just no arguing that

  158. Ricky B. Free says:

    It doesnt surprise me that you make stupid comments about other topics too. You make a lot of stupid comments about soccer, so why not keep it going with other issues.

  159. Kevin_amold says:

    I agree completely. His business is the business of results and if Fabian Johnson and Timmy Chandler and all the rest of the dual nationality gang get him results, he will have done right by USSF, his employers. So long as it’s within the rules, I don’t see a problem with it.

    HOWEVER

    I sympathize with the sentiment that some of these players might only be willing to play for us because Germany, Scotland, England or Mexico won’t call them up. I don’t think this is a great thing, but if they play hard for the shield and respect the shield, I’m happy to have them.

  160. tbrennan says:

    A few points:
    1. While he wasn’t very artful, Zimmerman’s concerns are a legitimate issue about which reasonable people can disagree.
    2. I think we should all want “true Americans” playing for the U.S. team. We are just going to differ on what makes a person a “true American.”
    3. To me, American is a country of choice. Unlike virtually any other country, most Americans are here because either they themselves or their ancestors chose to become Americans.
    4. Based on that, I think we need to take this player-by-player. Almost any immigrant (Agudelo, Preki, Adu) is a “true American” because he chose to become a citizen and live in the United States. As for dual nationals, who are American by birth but may or may not choose to embrace it, it depends on the player. Someone like Jermaine Jones strikes me as an international free agent – someone who just wanted to use whatever assets he had to get onto someone’s national team. I have trouble getting excited about players like this taking big roles in the US team. But others (Diskerud, Boyd, Fabian Johnson) grew up with at least one American parent who raised them as Americans. Being American and playing for the US team seems to mean something to these guys. So I’m excited about them being in the setup.

  161. assocfoot says:

    It is actually harder to become a US citizen than a citizen of many countries (many have “grandparent” rules), so the US national sports teams play by rules established by our own government for becoming citizens, just like everyone else does. FIFA just adds extra limits on when and how you can switch.

    This kind of recruiting, finding whoever is eligible and giving them a shot, is what a national team coach is paid for and what many others have done in the past and will do in the future, for the US and elsewhere. Anyone (Preston Z, a US fan or whoever) who doesn’t get that is simply not paying attention.

    From a personal standpoint, as a father of dual national kids, who feel an attachment to both the US and another country(France, where my wife is from), I would have no issue with them participating in an athletic competition for either country, if the opportunity came up. It would not make them less American, or less French. You can try to make this a patriotic thing, but while patriotism comes in many forms, Preston’s rantings and those of others who get worked up about this don’t sound patriotic to me.

  162. Jason says:

    Isn’t the German national team all Poles, Turks and now Africans as well? You had one Boateng playing for Ghana and his brother playing for Germany. How many native born Americans were on the 1950 Olympic team?

    When it comes to sports of any kind, nations are quick on naturalizing athletes that can contribute to that country’s success.

    At least in the case of the German players, they have an American parent, so they have American blood. There are plenty of National team prospects who grew up in the US that don’t even have that.

  163. SJ says:

    “Don’t mistake any of my tweets for jealousy…”

    Don’t worry, Preston. I’m not mistaking your tweets for jealousy. They are a fine example of bigotry. I’m sure you can find a club of like-minded people in Germany and the US to help spread your ideals–you may have to shave your head, though.

  164. Jason says:

    The French commonwealth islands of Martinque and Guadaelope would probably be dominating CONCACAF if their players had to play for their particular islands and not France.

  165. jon says:

    -1,000,000,000,000

    Ricardo Clark played against Mexico under Klinsmann. He was subbed in late in the game.

  166. Drew says:

    You are missing the point that most of these guys are the sons of men sent by the US GOVERNMENT on “official business” to Germany. Men sent after they took an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic..”

    I guess that isn’t enough for you. Sad.

  167. Taylor says:

    you either didn’t read my post or are just incredibly dimwitted. theres nothing racist about that post, i even made that point. this country is built off of people from all over the world and founded on the basis of welcoming anyone who wants to enjoy the freedoms we offer, and i embrace that. im simply stating that Klinsmann has a clear bias for his home country and their system as opposed to others, and im not just saying US way of doing things, cause we have players playing in many countries or that play many different styles based off of their cultural heritage and soccer upbringing

    and about my soccer knowledge, you cant argue that he is trying to fit in players that just dont fit where he puts them and are depth players for positions we are already stacked in. danny williams should be a depth defensive midfielder, not a winger like he has been deployed several times. meanwhile there are other guys in other leagues, and im not just saying MLS, that are a better fit for that position in the system that Klinsmann is clearly trying to establish

    also to back up my point on them most likely being willing to switch loyalties, Terrance Boyd on the U-23 team has stated he would take a Germany call up as has Fabian Huerzler. Timmy seems to be set on the US but who knows until he is cap tied

  168. I work in a place with an international personnel, and of all the people, the ones from Germany speak the best English. Find it hard to believe he found German/Americans who didn’t speak English.

  169. Kevin_Amold says:

    I agree with most of the points you make, but it’s really hard to deny that language is an indicator of a connection to a country. It’s not the ONLY one, but to me it is certainly an indicator.

    You think Cherundolo is more connected to Germany than he is to, say, Finland? Of course he is. Because he’s lived there a long time, and speaks the language, among other things. Language is pretty important, isn’t it?

  170. Kevin_amold says:

    Wow. Now Zimmerman is a skinhead, huh? I disagree with many of his points but this comment is pretty ridiculous.

  171. Ricky B. Free says:

    You keep making yourself look like an idiot. Why dont you point to Camoranesi? He was born in Argentina, moved to Italy to play and played for Italy.

  172. T says:

    I guess in the case that he would be so nationalistic that the entire team must be all ethnic german no Turks,Poles, or AFrican players (whether full or half German) playing for the team.

  173. SD says:

    thomas dooley did not speak english when he played for us in the world cup….he only lived here after joining mls…..

  174. Kevin_amold says:

    Indeed. Don’t forget brazilians. I think Cacau was born there.

  175. SJ says:

    BB did play people out of position, and was blasted for it. The differences I see between the two are JK is extensively looking at what options are in his eligible player pool & giving most another look, BB rarely dipped into the pool and was loyal to a fault at times. JK is doing his testing/learing in friendlies v. BB was doing it in more meaningful matches. Many players play different positions for club and country. Some do it better than others.

    Is it any wonder, really, that JK has a disposition to those who have been trained in Germany? It’s my understanding when he was appointed manager, he went to the clubs and asked what style they should play. From the conversations, he developed the way Germany is playing to this day and asked the club/academies to prepare their players to fit into the system. It’s a similar style to what the US is trying to employ. Kids that have been taught and groomed under the German JK era will have a step up in his eyes–right or wrong.

    In the US, we don’t have the developmental infrastructure that Germany, and pretty much the rest of the soccer playing world, has. The style JK wants the US to adopt/teach is now being deployed by Ramos, Cabrera, Porter, Williams etc. It is going to take time. The overhaul of the way youth are identified, trained, integrated into teams, etc. is what JK waited for from USSF. It is a long-term plan in my eyes.

  176. Kasey says:

    This is some serious fanboy LOL stuff

  177. RM says:

    CONCACAF teams blow and have no talent, the average Mexico team is eliminated early at every world cup.

    The entire is pretty pathetic.

    to pretend otherwise is naive.

  178. buff111 says:

    If Zimmerman would develop his talents and abilities instead of complaining, maybe he would get a shot.

  179. RM says:

    sorry, mistake

    meant to say every not the average Mexico team is always bounced early on.

    Very little talent there.

  180. chris says:

    Haha good one you got me

  181. Powderhorn Pops says:

    Post of the day :)

  182. Jamie Z. says:

    Zimmerman. It’s a good German name.

  183. T says:

    What does that say about our team and our talent when we struggled to beat Panama twice, and lost to Costa Rica recently, in addition we only beat Honduras 1-0 at home. Mexico has alot of talent on their youth and national teams, a matter of fact alot of their players are eyed by major Euro teams

  184. The Imperative Voice says:

    Setting aside the historical (read: Nazi) issues associated with calling for national (team) purity while residing in Germany, I wonder how long a player working in modern Germany intends to stay there making derisive comments about dual citizens? Cause its roughly as insulting to deny the melting pot aspect of America on the one hand as it is to deny dual citizens the right to play for one of their two countries on the implication they’re carpetbagging and that can’t fly. You’d think Germans would be upset that their own players aren’t exportable per Herr Zimmermann……I mean, dude, you aren’t exactly making these comments from Los Angeles. You’re an American in Germany implying the player trade shouldn’t go in reverse. Pot. Kettle. Black.

    One thing I will point out in his defense is that he seems in some part to be discussing the recent Olympic pool camp in Germany which had a few players who have German teams and German hometowns listed and little apparent connection to here and he’s concerned about that…..not just the much more defensible recruitment of senior players like Jermaine Jones. The response to which would be, if I’m collecting senior Germans why not get some age groupers in the pipeline too? That would seem to be one valid tactic to try and avoid Rossis and Subotics.

    His nationalism issues aside, he does seem to be raising a basic question of whether US collegians or young pros are necessarily inferior to some benchriding or low division reserve German-based player. As far as Terrence Boyd is concerned, he’s probably wrong, but as a general principle I’ve seen quite a few “Yanks Abroad” who people worshipped for the mere fact of foreign registration who hardly played there, came here, and stunk. If he’s suggesting maybe we have a few domestics as good as what was on offer in Germany for the U23 camp, that might be a fair, if limited, point. But would that minor, almost “scouting”-level point be worth all the overblown national chest beating? Not really.

    And my last point would be that maybe this shows the limits of Twitter and trying to think and express in 140 letters at a time.

  185. Adam M. says:

    Setting aside the xenophobia and factual ignorance, what is most important that anyone who takes up the US cause within the rules does it proud. At this level, a lack of committment to the shirt would show up on the field eventually. These supposedly fake Americans, with mostly top flight well-paid league jobs, are apparently itching to play thousands of miles away from Europe in games that will get next to no publicity and not help their careers in any appreciable manner. Yes, they might eventually get to play in a World Cup if someone doesn’t beat them to their position and they are healthy at the time, but that’s a lot of sacrifice for a possibility. All we should ask of anyone in a US shirt is that they work well together, show respect for the shirt, and leave it all on the field. If they do that, I don’t care whether one or two parents are American, where they were born, what language they speak, or what their opinion is of hot dogs and apple pie.

  186. Kyle says:

    I could care less. Look at national teams like France with a bunch of the guys straight from Africa. If someone has the balls enough to represent a country they were not born in more power to them. Oh and yea its not “some distant relative” who ties these players to the United States, it’s their own damned parents you third division fool!

  187. T says:

    This is true I’m a dual citizen of France and the United States, my Grandmother was French. Alot easier to acquire citizenship.

  188. Tyler says:

    This was the high point of my day. Ha well done folks.

  189. T says:

    Exactly, again France allows those African players easy access to citizenship, and the Caribbean, because they are former or currrent francophone colonies and many of those players speak french and or have french/European ancestry.

  190. Taylor says:

    completely agree, the German system is better than ours and we would be smart to emulate it, as well as the systems in other countries. i am open to any players that we can get into our system. much better national teams than us look for any players they can get, so i would be a fool to not want the US to better their system by getting whoever we can. i simply feel like Klinsmann is a little blinded by the fact that players are in Germany and wants to squeeze them into the lineup regardless of whether they fit in the position their in. if they were drastically better than some of the other guys that got snubbed, then i would be pumped, but they are really just capable and not noticeably better than guys that are more suited for the positions that some have been incorrectly played in

    you’re also right that Bradley used to do that and I believe i mentioned that, its just that people were so quick to criticize every move he made, while Klinsmann seems to get a pass for these same mistakes for some reason i cant really explain other than the fact that people are just happy with anyone but Bradley

  191. sandtrout says:

    There is a world of difference between players who emigrated to the United States as children and grew up here, and players who happen to have an American parent but grew up across the ocean and (in some cases) have never been to the United States.

    To your comment about Jermaine Jones, Shmenge, I would recommend against saying anything to Jones’ face. He’s proven time and again he’s a thug. We had to go all the way to Germany to get a hockey-style enforcer?!

    Also, Shmenge, I think it’s fair to question the “patriotism” of someone who may never even have been to the country he’s playing for until selected for their national team. Why on earth would that player have any sense of patriotism toward an adopted country he is largely unfamiliar with? It’s not libel — it’s common sense.

  192. chris says:

    Youre the one calling me stupid over the internet and im an idiot? If you would read i have no problem with dual nationals and camoranesi LIVED in italy like i stated

  193. Ron says:

    Your name is either Jim Rome or Glenn Beck. My father was born in China, emigrated to the US when he was 12, served the US Army Air Corps in a ground crew so that the B-17 Fying Fortresses and B-24 Liberators can free the world from Nazism and your right to be a racist smuck. Our German-Americans have made their choice to represent the Flag of their Fathers and I welcome them!

  194. Powderhorn Pops says:

    Dude, there is no official language of the country called the United States of America. Period.

    Since our inception there have been languages from all immigrant circles accepted into this melting pot. Keep in mind this great country was stolen from peoples already inhabiting the land and oh by the way who spoke many different languages.

  195. Grant says:

    SJ, Bob Bradley capped 37 different players in his first four months as Manager, he was also expected to get results. He was looking for players in the US Pool, but he didn’t have the connections that Klinsmann has. Taylor and Preston Zimmerman have valid points. You know the American fan wants this beautiful ‘Barcelona’ football that is attacking and dances around the opponent. The bottom line is that the US DOES NOT have players of that quality. Not now, probably not in the next 10 years. Yeah it’s great that Klinsmann is overhauling the system. But you have to play the hand that you were dealt.

    And, be honest with yourself. If Jermaine Jones, Timmy Chandler, Fabian Johnson, Danny Williams all were called up by the German National Team, they would go instantly. They ARE GERMAN!! Don’t give me this crap about their father was in the military, bet you their father banged a German girl and got the hell out, who knew they would grow up to be a footballer (I was stationed there and saw it all the time).

  196. Powderhorn Pops says:

    Holy crap – touche PZ. Klinsmann just spanked yo a$$

  197. chris says:

    Exactly its not the system thats the problem its the popularity of the game and unorganized aspect of it. While the college season may be only 3 months they practice all school year and most play pdl during the summer

  198. Grant says:

    This is why I never will understand the USMNT Supporters… Giuseppe Rossi gets blasted and labeled traitor for playing for Italy, but when a player born and raised as a German chooses the US, because there’s no chance of a call-up from the German National Team, the USMNT supporters have no problem with it.

  199. Kevin_Amold says:

    “Keep in mind this great country was stolen from peoples already inhabiting ther land.”

    Duly noted, bro-han. I know this may be hard to imagine, but there were wars for the land of the American Continent long before the USA even existed. The Aztecs weren’t the nicest people in the world, neither were Cortez and his people. Such is the nature of civilization and the creation of nations. So let’s dial down the rhetoric a bit.

    Nowhere do i say one thing about a national language. All I said was language is an indicator of connection to a country. Not the only one, but one nonetheless. In my view, a pretty important one.

    You think language plays absolutely no role in indicating connection to a country? Why do you feel this way?

  200. RM says:

    It says the US is and has pretty much average in the world. Thats the entire point ,the US is poor and Mexico beating the USA doesnt make them great.

    No big Euro clubs care much about Mexican players, what you just said is simply wrong.

    Mexicos starting 11 contain: Guardado (deportivo = a second division team),Ochoa (Ajaccio = the worst team in France) and Juarez and Pablo Barrera (Zaragoza = the worst team in Spain).

    80% percent of Mexicos team play in the poor Mexican league, the others play relegation battle in Europe year round. Again, Beating a poor USA doesnt make you good.

    Dont fool yourself.

  201. Grant says:

    These guys are more German than American. They are American by a technicality. Look Timmy Chandler’s father left him and his mother in Germany. I’ve seen it happen many times while I was stationed over there, many American soldiers would impregnate a German women and then bounce back to the US. Tim Chandler is German.

  202. Grant says:

    Dawson these are not American kids!!!! They are German, born to German mothers… abandoned by their American Soldier father!! They were raised in Germany as a German!!! Timmy Chandler’s father knocked up his mom and bounced back to the US, knowing that he doesn’t have to pay child support to the foreigner he got pregnant! Seen it happen all the time while I was stationed there.

  203. ajf says:

    He was pretty rash but he brings up some good points. If the U.S. is ever going to climb the ranks of world soccer, it’s not going to be with second-tier German players. These players are playing for us for only one reason, and that’s because Germany didn’t want them. Whatever they say about the U.S., anyone in their shoes would play with Germany over the U.S. if they had the choice.

  204. wilyboy says:

    Timmy Chandler and Fabian Johnson are great assets. Danny Williams is young and solid. What’s the freaking problem?

    The best thing about these players is that they make the Americans compete to be ready for the international level. Zimmerman is simply ridiculous with his accusations. The US is catching up with the rest of the world, if the one time switch rule provides leverage, use it.

  205. wilyboy says:

    Excellent comment.

  206. Powderhorn Pops says:

    For those English loving peeps – Here’s a list of countries you can move to that have English as an official language (caveat – some have more than on official language):

    Barbados, Belize, Botswana, Cameroon, Canada, Dominica, Fiji, Gambia, Ghana, Grenada, Guyana, India, Ireland, Jamaica, Kenya, Kiribati, Lesotho, Liberia, Malawi, Malta, Marshall Islands, Mauritius, Micronesia, Nambia, Nauru, Nigeria, Pakistan, Palau, Papa New Guinea, Philippines, Rwanda, St Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and Grenadines, Samoa, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Soloman Islands, South Africa, South Sudan, Sudan Swaziland, Tanzania, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, Uganda, Vanuatu, Zambia, Zimbabwe.

  207. SD says:

    maybe i’m misunderstanding you, but the rules were different years ago. there wasn’t as much flexibility then. if you were under 21 and played as a youth for a country, you were locked in. the germans that played for us had never played in the german system and if they had they never would have been eligible…..this dual thing started with morocco(?) because they were mad that france, particularly, locked in several moroccan heritage youths by playing them and then never using them again…..and this was a problem for many, many years…and certainly the US have been involved because for the 1994 world cup, the US searched for foreign born talent that was eligible for the US because they wanted an opportunity to show well in the world cup. that’s when thomas dooley and earnie stewart were discovered. the reason they were able to play is because neither has represented germany and the netherlands on the youth level….

  208. Marlon says:

    3. To me, American is a country of choice. Unlike virtually any other country, most Americans are here because either they themselves or their ancestors chose to become Americans.

    As an “African-American” I can confidently say my ancestors didn’t choose to become Americans.

  209. Marlon says:

    Any Native American SBI readers with a follow up opinion on that?

  210. beachbum says:

    Klinnsman’s grand plan it appears, what Zimmerman is tweeting against. If it was a player here or there, a few even, but it’s way past that he is saying.

    I don’t disagree with him, though I like Fabian and Tim Chandler too. Olympic training in Germany?

    anyway, I did not hear xenophobia in Zimmerman’s tweets. He’s calling it straight up imo, saying what’s happening in many ways.

  211. Tolvinho says:

    Freddy Adu would be a better example of the point you’re trying to make. Learned most of his technical skills in Ghana whereas responsibility for more team-oriented, tactical, defensive, etc., development (to the extent there was any) came in the US. The reverse was true for Donovan and Lleget but to an even lesser degree because both moved abroad when they were around 18.

    In any event, I don’t think you followed my point. I don’t care if some of the development is due to foreign clubs and countries. My concern is when it’s the first 18 to 23 years of their lives and none (or virtually little) is due to our development program. A development program that isn’t required to develop to be successful is no development program at all.

  212. Marlon says:

    He’s referring to the German-American players called into the U23, but he’s probably wrong about that too because all reports point to Terrence Boyd being a straight beast. Also, out of the 30 or so players called I think only 4 were German-American.

  213. Jeffry Bodine says:

    There once was a time, many years ago, that this was the approach of US Soccer… We capped many people that had almost no ties to this country other than maybe a father that was stationed in some country. Over time, we evolved past that and started using people that were either born here or naturalized citizens.

    I hear what Zimmerman is saying and hope that we’re not moving backwards to the days where we couldn’t find 11 guys that were really Americans. I for one would rather lose playing our own players than with a team of people that have never lived here, and most likely, never will. I thought Klinsmann was going to take the team and American soccer forward. Now Im beginning to wonder if I was wrong

  214. T says:

    I agree their not on the level of Brazil or something, even though they beat them for their first confed cup, they still have players in respectable teams, example: Chicharito(Man.Utd), Giovanni Dos Santos (Tottenham/Barcelona),jonathan Dos Santos(Barcelona), Ulisses Davila(Chelsea), Carlos Vela(Arsenal), not to mention they’ve finally figured out how to use their youth development recently and have players like Marco Fabian being scouted by Man United, and Carlos Fierro with Barcelona. The Mexican Primera Divison is rated 12th in the world so they have a pretty good pipeline of talent. I’am optimistic that we will get our development down correctly, and with Klinsy’s help, and we will rise into a “consistent” challenger for World Cups, eventually.

  215. Kosh says:

    Thank you for that post.

  216. T says:

    Well, African Americans are very well integral part of the team as well as latino’s, though I haven’t seen any Asian players on the team I recall…

  217. Shane says:

    I think Klinsmann using Germans will be a temporary thing for the senior team. Klinsmann wants to play a certain way – the way Caleb Porter’s teams do and the way the highest rated US developmental academies do. So at the younger ages, the US system is already encouraging players to play the style Klinsmann wants, and they have been for a while. Germany also plays the way Klinsmann likes so for the time being he is using Germans eligible to play for the US in an attempt to get the senior team playing his “style” as soon as possible.

    Shea has quickly become a fixture for the senior team under Klinsmann. Shea came the through FC Dallas who just happen to have a developmental academy that recieved a higher rating for player development and playing style than any other US academy. Once we can fill our US teams with players that know and have grown up with this style of play that US soccer is trying to impose, we will see less of these players.

    I understand what Zimmerman is saying. It can seem very disrespectful to a system that has done a good job of growing soccer in a country where few have ever really cared about it or understood it in the way other nations do. But I dont believe Klinsmann disrespects the American way or he never would have hired a college coach, with no pro coaching experience, to to coach the US Olympic team.

  218. SD says:

    i disagree it is the system….how many players coming out of college make an impact right away in mls…not that many and in the last few years it seems only the players from akron have been able to make an immediate impact on their teams…and when did mls quality of play improve, when they brought in foreign players, who were better skilled than the college players mls was fielding at the time…there’s a reason that some of these guys that come out of college and go straight to europe don’t make it right away….look at mike grella, he was supposed to be a very good college player (i’ve never seen him play) and here we are 3 years later and he still can’t get regular time at a league one club in england….you would think that he could at least be a regular 60th minute sub….and there are others more like him, then not like him…..

  219. Tolvinho says:

    Fair point. I agree that in an ideal world we’d do both. And the US set-up should be smart enough to realize that, for example, we’ve never produced a single natural left back in the history of the program, regardless of whether Timmy Chandler is filling in (or will fill in) there now.

    But nothing is a greater motivator than failure (see, e.g., World Cup 1998), and when you use stop-gap measures that staunch the bleeding or mask deficiencies, you may lose that sense of purpose, focus, and drive.

  220. SD says:

    mark chung…lee ngyugen

  221. SJ says:

    The Bob Bradly haters were vocal and abundant, and I had my own opinions about him. I didn’t like how loyal he was to certain players and it didn’t seem like he tried to integrate younger players into the team. It could have been there wasn’t any younger players to integrate and that fault isn’t completely born by BB. Haters gonna hate regardless and BB didn’t deserve some of the heat he took.

    I’m giving Klinsmann the benefit of the doubt for now, as he is implementing a new system and mentality to the entire organization. The whole “square pegs, round hole” experiment is a function of a couple of things in my eyes. He is hoping to get the best players on the pitch, regardless of position and the players will adapt to other positions. It’s not unheard of for players to have different positions for their club and country. I also think it’s JK looking at how bare the cupboards are at several positions–part of the reason there hasn’t been a decision on formation yet. He is probably giving players playing abroad more weight because of the playing on a bigger stage and more professional exposure. I would hope he is basing his choices on talent, technical ability, need, and potential. However, every coach has his bias. We have to hope his biases don’t hurt us in the long run.

  222. RM says:

    T,

    we both know that except for Hernandez, none of those players gets any serious playing time…. I mean, come on Davila? that guy is doesnt get minutes at a small Dutch team.

    The rest are permanent loanees, nothing more.

    The point Zimmerman or any competitive ambitious person was making is that if you want to play at the highest level beating Garbage concacaf teams should be very easy.

    Its not OK to lose to anyone in concacaf.

  223. Kosh says:

    Yup because American Dads don’t bounce on their families States side either. Oh wait they do, but just because it’s happening here that’s OK – they’re American.

    Dude you said you were stationed in Germany so I presume you wear/wore the uniform so I have great love and admiration, but this argument is weak and what’s more it is very, very disappointing. Regardless of the circumstances it’s not FIFA or Klinsi that’s saying they’re American, it’s our constitution that is. They have every freaking right to represent their country – your disparaging remarks of their births and the unfortunate decisions of their fathers not withstanding. Like I said, dude, disappointing.

  224. RM says:

    * that guy doesnt get minutes at a small dutch team

    is what i meant.

  225. Ted says:

    the USA has no official language btw, plenty of people born here grow up speaking a language other than english

  226. some A-hole says:

    “3. To me, American is a country of choice. Unlike virtually any other country, most Americans are here because either they themselves or their ancestors chose to become Americans.”

    Couldn’t be anymore WRONG.WRONG.WRONG.

    Ever hear of Canada,Argentina,Brazil,Uruguay,Chile,etc.?All melting pots just like the USA. The whole western hemisphere is multi-ethnic,we’re all former colonies.

  227. marco says:

    Since Zimmerman knows who isn’t a ‘real American’, perhaps he can describe who is.
    Do they have blond hair and blue eyes?
    What is their skin color?
    If they speak more than English is that a problem?
    Do they wear flag pins?
    What is the favored religion?
    Do they watch baseball and eat apple pie.

    Preston, describe a ‘real’ American.

  228. SJ says:

    I’m not disagreeing with Taylor, he does have valid points. I disagree with the bigotry spewed by Zimmerman in trying to make his points. Who is he, or you, to say who or what is “real American”? America was built by people of many different cultures and races that migrated here to build their version of the American dream. Many people relate better to that than what they were raised in.

    I agree you have to play with the hand your dealt, and the hand Klinsmann was dealt is not the strongest at the table. I don’t think there is a country out there who wouldn’t want to play the tiki-taka style employed by Barca and the Spanish MNT. I don’t think anyone outside of Spain and maybe Brazil, few other countries have the talent to pull it off.

    Bob Bradley may have capped 37 guys at the beginning, but how many at the end of his tenure? Integrating new players was never a strong point with BB. He stuck with players to a fault in my opinion–sometimes to the detriment of others development. Bob is to blame, partly, for the lack of viable options facing the team now.

    My point is that until the infrastructure is in place and we develop talent in the States, our managers will have to look at every option available in order to achieve results. The fact that Klinsmann’s (and others) contacts weren’t leveraged by BB and the USSF is a huge condemnation of both. JK is like a college football coach who is trying to leverage the Jr. College route by plugging already identified and somewhat proven players that match the style of play into the team as an immediate stopgap measure rather than develop the player himself (or plug a hole that arose unexpectedly). I think the USMNT cupboards were more bare than anyone thought, and holes are trying to be plugged by any and all means available. This is why I’m giving JK some slack on the results.

    I won’t comment on the douchebaggery shown by your fellow servicemen. I will say that many of the players mentioned were born to parents who were married.

  229. marco says:

    Germany had 8 dual nationals on their roster against Belgium, more than one third.

  230. JCC says:

    I don’t agree with his view, but this was bound to happen at some point. There have been some rumblings from a few fans on the message boards for a while now about this issue, and I’ve always wondered if there are some players that might be irked by the number of German-born Americans being called up to the national team.

    I remember reading an article a few years ago about a similar issue that caused some division in the Dutch national team set up, between the white Dutch feeling the black Surinamese-born Dutch players were taking away spots from “real” Dutch players.

    Klinsmann has to tread lightly here because the last thing you want is to create tension between the native-born Americans and the foreign-born ones.

  231. T says:

    “Real” Americans are indians, their land was stolen from them and colonized sadly by European “invaders”.

  232. AltiCooper says:

    +1

  233. marco says:

    As did Omar and Joe Corona

  234. T says:

    Klinnsmann’s job is to win no matter who is playing. Klinnsmann is all about youth, he did the same thing with Germay building the team, with the help of Loew, into a strong young multicultural unit. Jurgen thinks into the future and plans accordingly, he is trying to improve the youth development along side Claudio Reyna so that all players regardless of social background can represent the national team. Jurgen upon being hired as national team coach wanted to overhaul the youth system and change the college game, not eliminate it, so they played longer and more, that’s how the rest of the world’s young players improve.

  235. marco says:

    The only thing I partially agree with is that some of the German players like Williams, Chandler and Johnson were over hyped. In games I watched Williams was poor, and Chandler and Johnson just ok, not one world beater. But there are other over-hyped German players like Beckerman and Zimmerman that came first.

  236. Edwin in LA says:

    Wow so you’re like the guy who commented on one of the previous articles Sebastian Lletget who said he was happy to see “Real American” in the USMNT system come thru our youth development program and not some “bastard child”….

    So you’re generalizing all 4 of those players like that huh….

    Guess that says a lot about military guys if that’s what you saw they must all be like that right?

    But that’s not true, as I’m only using it as a sarcastic example of your logic and how wrong and crazy it is, I don’t agree with it and DO NOT believe it.

    First of all Klinsmann has called in a GRAND TOTAL of 3 German Born players that were new to the US system and had no caps or had been in camps with the US. He’s only played 2 of those, Fabian Johnson and Danny Williams, who btw Ives had been keeping up with his weekly Americans Abroad report and have been on the watch list from Yanks abroad for about a year and a half now.

    Jones & Chandler got capped by Bob already and each had about 11 and 2 caps by the time Klinsmann took over and recalled them again.

    SECOND of all, Jones AND Fabian Johnson are now BOTH cap tied now beacuse they had represented Germany before even if it was in friendlies or at youth levels, the thing is they HAD to file for a one time switch with FIFA in order to represent to the US, so they are with the US for good now.

    I recommend you visit The Straight Red Card to find out about what Tim Chandler’s stance is as far as who he’ll for since he IS still eligible for Germany’s team

    I’d put up a link hoping it’s not blocked but look up their videos on youtube, search Tim Chandler interview user is dwreck1971

    link to youtube.com

    Check their comments after the last 2 friendlies vs France & Slovenia. It’s 2 of them… they probably have a podcast file on their site I am not sure I found it thru their youtube posting.

    link to youtube.com
    and the 2nd part
    link to youtube.com

  237. marco says:

    Sort of like Messi who has lived in Spain most of his life.

  238. marco says:

    Yes they have

  239. marco says:

    Yes, good point, you can see how he hates many people that are different than him.

  240. SJ says:

    Do I believe his remarks are bigoted and similar to those propagated by racist organizations? Yes. Do I believe Zimmerman is a bigot? No.

    The ridiculousness is that some kid didn’t think through how his remarks would be taken by the public at large. He comes across bitter about other player’s chances, and bigoted about what constitutes being a “real American”, as if he is an expert on what a “real American” is.

  241. Free speach zone says:

    Klinsmann is doing what he feels necessary to win. What is more American than that?

  242. Kei says:

    “I would just like to see true, real Americans who would live and die for this country representing our country”

    Which is to say he wants to see more born-and-bred Amurrkans of Anglo-Saxon or otherwise Caucasian origins playing for his country, amirite?

  243. Are we a real NT now? says:

    Though I personally am of the opinion that anyone who is an American citizen has the right to play for the USMNT (as per the rules that apply to every single national team as dictated by FIFA), and find the arguments about language (etc) absolutely absurd and against the fundamental American truth that everyone is welcome to enjoy the outstanding rights available to all Americans, I’m not posting to continue to fan the flames.

    After reading all these posts, I can’t help but think – Hey! The USMNT and its fanbase are actually becoming more and more like the NT’s and fanbase’s of the European teams. 20-30 years ago there were almost NO players in teams like England, Holland, France etc who were of African ethnic origin or Middle Eastern ethnic origin, etc. etc.

    All those fanbases went through the same exact process: who should we allow to be considered one of us and who shouldnt? After those growing pains, which were not easily overcome, today those teams are much more inclusive. If you told a Dutchman 30 years ago that there would be black men playing for their national team they would have a conniption and would be railing on the fact that they weren’t Dutch.

    The fact is, FIFA has their rules on nationality and it is the coach of the national team’s job to pick the best possible players that are available for their team.

    If anyone hasn’t yet, please watch a hoffenheim game and watch Johnson and Williams play: they are very, very, very good players. They also are eligible for the US, and are much better than most others in the available pool.

    And for the argument that they are only choosing the US because Germany will not pick them, the only argument one can give to reject them is that you would rather have a terrible national team than have anyone who had considered other options. If Rachel McAdams wanted to be with Brad Pitt her whole life but he was too busy with Angelina Jolie, and so she decided she wanted to sleep with you instead, would you turn her down on principle because you weren’t her first choice? No, no you would not.

    Klinsmann knows talent; he knows who is available to him, and he is picking the best possible team from that pool in order to try to win the most games he possibly can. As American fans it is not our job to decide whether or not players are worthy, but to support the team as ferociously as possible.

    And for a closing remark: these comments exemplify that racism is still a huge problem in America, and that many Americans have very, very differing views on what it means to be American.

  244. Ted says:

    do you know there family and can say for sure that they would bolt? truth is nobody here knows the thoughts behind the choices these players made and before we make accusations about what they WOULD do lets see what they ACTUALLY do.

    Zimmerman totally contradicts himself because he said if results were better his words wouldn’t matter.

  245. Kei says:

    Interesting analogy with Rachel McAdams lol

    Agree completely with what you said, though.

  246. Are we a real NT now? says:

    Nothing is more American than doing anything it takes to be number one. So to answer your question…. Nothing.

  247. Are we a real NT now? says:

    Thanks for the comment –

    I was going to make an analogy about how if a baseball player always dreamed of playing shortstop for the NY Yankees but was drafted in 97, then because of Jeter that would never ever happen – would that mean that none of the other teams should draft him because he wanted to be a Yankee first?

    but i figured people would harp on the fact that baseball teams are not nationalities.

  248. Edwin in LA says:

    Fabian Hurzeler was BORN in Houston Texas thank you very much

  249. Grant says:

    Kosh, first I agree with you that they are American. But you have to understand that they identify themselves more with the German culture over the American lifestyle. Now all I am saying is that if the German national team gave them a shot, they wouldn’t give the USMNT a shot.

  250. Der Kaiser says:

    Typical ignorant American when he says “I would just like to see true, real Americans who would live and die for this country representing our country.”

    wtf does he think their father’s did you SoB.. If PZ had half the balls he’d enlist in the Army. Punk! we don’t need him anyway–wuzzie!

  251. Yes says:

    so where are they playing…

  252. Edwin in LA says:

    He called Honduras probably the 3rd or 4th largest country in Concacaf, a “CONCACAF VILLAGE”

    The best part is he wouldn’t even start in the teams from that “village” lol

    He wishes he was as good as say Hendry Thomas who has to battle for starts at Wigan or Wilson Palacios who was sold from Wigan to Spurs for about 10 million pounds I think it is and now starts for Stoke all in the EPL. Or like Maynor Figueroa who starts for Wigan pretty much all the time…..lets see who else….. Pretty sure David Suazo played in Serie A teams that were WAY better than anywhere he’s ever played and reached close to 20 goals in that league, hell he played for Inter when they were winning Serie A all the time

  253. Ted says:

    Setting aside the things he says that are ignorant, or tactless, he is pretty incoherent. He first liked the idea of Klinsmann, a German and not American coach, but now he doesn’t, he would prefer “real” Americans. Then he goes onto say that nothing he says would matter if Klinsmann was more successful so far as coach. So is it the foreignness of some players the reason that the team hasn’t gotten the results we would like? Is it specifically the German “foreignness”? The only sentiment that I can agree with with him is that, ideally, you want players who are proud to put on the shirt and represent your country.

  254. Dave says:

    It’s pretty funny to see people saying that you aren’t American if you can’t speak English…as in England…as in another country…as in not America…so you aren’t American if you can’t speak another country’s language. HAH.

  255. Edwin in LA says:

    Not before he was in Argentina and then played and lived in Mexico

  256. Grant says:

    Well Ted you’re right and I agree. I don’t know their families and don’t know for sure. All I am trying to get through is that these players identify themselves more with the German culture over the American, given the fact that they were raised there and were developed through the German youth system. I can say that positively because I also have dual nationalities and have been raised with American culture. I know about my other side but identify myself more as American.

  257. Grant says:

    That’s a bit harsh calling ‘Bastard Child’ but I am just trying to point out that these players identify more with their German heritage rather than the American. Overall I am confused about a lot of USMNT supporters. You have players like Neven Subotic and Giuseppe Rossi who were both raised in the USA but chose to represent other countries, the USMNT supporters want their heads and call them traitors. Yet Chandler, Johnson, Jones and Williams are welcomed?? I support the USMNT regardless, just the supporters confuse the hell out of me.

  258. Edwin in LA says:

    It’s not even close, do you NOT watch College Soccer? It’s like High school, multiple substitutions and in/out is allowed like in Basketball or even indoor Soccer.

    Clock is stopped the way the old MLS game clock was with a backwards counting clock like in baseball, basketball and football….

    They play AT MOST 30 games, and that’s stretching it for some teams..

    they don’t do much after October until August again, unless they play in PDL or whatnot, and believe the college game is not as good as even some 3rd divisions in Europe
    England’s and Spain for sure.

  259. Kasey says:

    USA needs to open an airbase in Brazil

  260. Edwin in LA says:

    Wilson Palacios STARTS for Stoke and use to start for Spurs when he was bought from Wigan where he use to start every game for about 10 million pounds or close to it from what I remember, and at Wigan Maynor Figueroa starts all games and Hendry Thomas is a pretty standard player for Wigan as well but hasn’t played lately for some reason, all of those guys playing in EPL and actually getting PT, are from that Village.

    La Coruña did get relegated but they are historically one of the few teams aside from Real & Barca to be good in the last 20+ years… they are the last team aside from the big 2 and Valencia if I’m not mistaken to have won the La Liga title, although Atletico might of won it before after them…

    Maza is at Stuttgart and was at PSV, Moreno is at Espanyol a competitive La Liga side and was at AZ Alkmaar, Vela is finally having success on loan at Real Sociedad, Gio Dos Santos just doesn’t fit at Spurs or EPL, he’ll be at Sevilla soon most likely Vela was a back up for ARSENAL for crying out loud behind guys like RVP, Arshavin, Chamak, Cesc, Bendtner etc etc

  261. Edwin in LA says:

    And Argentina! I wouldn’t mind one in Spain for Center Attacking mids, wingers and maybe a few Center backs that can actually play the ball out of the back with accurate medium to short passes lol

  262. some a-hole says:

    Zimmerman should have worded what he wrote differently,but in no way was what he said xenophobic…people are putting words in his mouth.

    Funny to see all of the ‘holier than thou’ people throw stones when someone says something that might be considered ‘offensive’….yet I bet most of you laugh at the stuff Tosh says on ‘Tosh.0′

    And I think using too many foreign players makes us look weak and desperate,just my opinion. But we don’t use too many at the moment,our January squad is pretty ‘Real American’ looking.

  263. eli_ff@yahoo.com says:

    Bigger question, who’s reading tweets by Preston Zimmerman?

  264. Edwin in LA says:

    What’s funny to me is he goes on and on about how great the MLS players are and how there are kids in the college system who are just as good if not better than the “European players” but he is STILL playing in Europe or at least is in a team in Europe where well, he is at the same level that he is accusing MULTIPLE players of being at but being in the national team set up.

    Like some have already mentioned, Caleb Porter, and maybe to an extent the 1st camp Claudio Reyna and Tab Ramos called in the players. NOW that Porter is done with Akron HE is the one making the decisions about who to call. I pray he’s not including Terrence Boyd, because I’ve heard that kid talk and he is beyond fine, speaks it perfectly with just a very minor accent which is understandable, but his English on Studio 90 videos is great.

    Furthermore, guys like Gyau and others are US based so I don’t know what he’s talking about. The main thing is that now MLS is getting kids earlier in their development and that is where most of the kids are from, so he shoots himself down when he claims there are players in MLS that are good enough for what presumably he refers to as the Senior team, and then bitches about not enough College kids in the U-23 Olympic team. Well Rowe and Wenger were invited and so was Hoffman from what I remember, Ibeagha was also invited so why is he bitching again?

    Oh and for EVERYONE’s benefit of knowledge….

    Fabian Johnson AND Daniel Williams had to file a 1 TIME SWITCH WITH FIFA in order to play for the US.

    So from what I understand guess what, THEY ARE NOW TIED to the US. Chandler didn’t actually play with the German U-21 or 19 or 17 teams. He took part in a some U-15 camps but that’s about it from what I just learned from The Straight Red Card guys and Brian Sciaretta from Yanks Abroad on a podcast from back in May I think when they were analyzing the omission of Chandler from the Gold Cup and whether it had anything to do with him maybe playing for Germany.
    Here’s the link:
    link to youtube.com

  265. Warren says:

    Klinsmann has a clear bias in favor of skill, effort, and nutrition.

    Sounds ok to me.

    You are surprised a German-American coach attracts/encourages quality dual nationals?

    OK….

    Fabian Johnson is a clear first teamer, as are Americans in Germany Jermaine Jones, Cherundolo, and Chandler. Most of whom played under all-American Bradley.

    So what’s your point? Klinsmann has checked out Danny Williams in a variety of roles? He brought Morales in? Oh the tragedy!

    Sounds like it is all about xenophobia, Taylor. Can’t help you there.

  266. Dennis says:

    Claiming that BB “rarely dipped in the pool” is embarrassingly false. He had over 100 players called into the senior national team in his last full year as coach. Klinsmann is way short of that pace.

    I am not sure reserve players on 2 Bundesliga players are really where the future of the USMNT lies. But at least, Klinsmann, like Bradley, is continuing to call in new players to give them a look. (Bradley “found” Davies, Diskerud, Goodson in the Scandinavian countries when they were not on the radar of any of the Ives faithful. Maybe Klinsmann’s german findings will be as frutiful.

    I do however, think you are giving Klinsmann too much credit for hard work. He does a lot better with the press than Bradley did, but so far his results on the field leave a bit to be desired.

  267. hogatroge says:

    Morales is a reserve teamer for a top flight (1.Bundesliga) team and has made appearances for the senior squad. I’m not saying he merits a call up over some of the snubs (Kljestan) by any means, but you need to get your facts straight.

  268. Dennis says:

    Bradley called in over 100 players to the USMNT in his last year and capped a large number (I would have to do more research to get an exact number, but it was not small).

  269. USA J says:

    HAS ANYONE POSTING HERE NOTED THAT THE VAST MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL, THE GERMAN-AMERICAN PLAYERS CALLED INTO THE USMNT HAVE U.S. SERVICEMEN AS FATHERS?!?!?!?! NOW IT SEEMS THAT MAKES THEM PRETTY MUCH AMERICAN, OR AT LEAST THEY GREW UP LOVING AND RESPECTING THE U.S.A…THE COUNTRY THEY’RE FATHERS FOUGHT FOR, SERVED, AND LOVED!

  270. This Guy says:

    You as well as most posting on here have missed the point. The United States has the best athletes in the world, that’s been established. Why look for a quick fix by bringing in European born players when building the program from home will allow it to flourish to a better place in 25 years. The reason is that too many young kids see soccer as European and aren’t interested in it after 13. Placing Europeans on the USMNT isn’t going to change that viewpoint. I’d rather see Americans that have pride in their countries than good players with “ties” to the United States. I’ve served in Europe in the US Army (Italy) and can say that too many American Soldiers drop off kids in European women at random. Other than the piece of paper and the child support from an American paycheck; these guys are no more American than pride they hold. Don’t confuse American with U.S. citizen. Any turd can get citizenship; it’s a passion for who we are and what we represent that makes a person an American.

    I’m not a “rah, rah Go USA” above all but I have lived all over the world and have the understanding that what we have in this country is unique. It’s what has so many immigrants crossing our borders and coming to our shores. A nation, with the exception of Native Americans, of immigrants that have plenty of talent and ability to be a power in soccer.

  271. Warren says:

    Incorrect.

    Chandler is a dual national playing left back for the USMNT.

    You prefer Chandler stick to Bundesliga?

    I prefer a left back.

  272. Steve says:

    So what he’s really saying is the beer in germany is rizeally fizucking strizong!

  273. Dennis says:

    The French national team would be a shambles if it were not for Algeria, Germany would not be so strong were it not for some Poles and Turks. Most national teams in the developed world and many in the developing world have players with dual citizenship. So does the USA. Get over it, those are the rules and as long as they are, expect coaches to look wherever they can to find the players who they think will comprise the best team. Klinsmann is doing that, Bradley did that, Arena die that, Sampson did that, Milutinovitch, etc., all did that.

    It is no surprise that a german is looking under german rocks in his search for players.

  274. GW says:

    Yes, the FIFA rules were different but other countries in general always had more leeway in “recruitment”.

    To make a US analogy if you are an outstanding football or basketball player there are schools in the US where they can more easily manipulate admission standards for exceptional student athletes.

    Rules are rules but in some places they are more like guidelines to paraphrase your favorite pirate movie.

    The other thing to remember is that the USMNT is a much more attractive proposition than it was in Dooley and Stewart’s heyday.

    The 1990 team was way overmatched but the 94 team had the one time carrot of automatic qualification and Bora’s nearly mythical reputation. That was basically a one shot deal but since then World Cup qualifying has been practically automatic for the US.

  275. Warren says:

    You stay pathetic forever, since your views are destroying my culture.

    I would rather not be pathetic.

  276. GW says:

    The thing about Camoranesi is his pony tail is so mid to late 90’s Rafa Marquez.

    Dual nationals would do so much better with their hair if they played for us ( see Shea, Holden, “Tintin” Spector).

  277. Rick says:

    You know which country just uses “real citizen” players? North Korea.

  278. Warren says:

    Anyone that doesn’t get he is an idiot, doesn’t get it.

    Just because there are lots of idiots, doesn’t make it right for folks to be anti-American towards Americans who have dual nationality or were born abroad.

    Especially anti-American is being against winning, when that’s what it’s about at national team level.

  279. GW says:

    The players who go to US colleges may be as skilled as players of the same age and experience in foreign countries.

    The biggest problem besides the wacky rules which leads to hockey style tactics, is that they simply do not play as many games or practice as much as their pro or semi pro compatriots elsewhere in the world.

    Therefore they cannot maintain their sharpness at a high enough standard.

    If you are already an outstanding player going in this may not hurt you that much but for a player trying to better themselves, they are wasting valuable time at a crucial age when they could be developing their skills at a much greater pace in another setup.

    College may yet become a viable development league for MLS and the national team but it will take a lot of changes for that to happen in our lifetimes.

  280. Pete says:

    Normally people who sound this angry do so because they feel personally wronged and speak passionately about it by playing the blame game. Zimmerman sounds hurt that he was not called into camp. He sounds confused about the job of the National team coach – which is purely to win as opposed to promote some nationalism agenda. He should continue to work hard and show he can help the National team. But Zimmerman sounds like he has quit on himself by attacking the people who can give him the opportunity to show his game. But it may be too late as a coach would fear bringing in a divisive player.

  281. GW says:

    “Personally I would like to see Fifa institute a rule: you either need to be born in the country or spent a plurality of your time before age 18 in that country.”

    If you think that will insure a person is more “American” or “German” or whatever you may be disapointed.

    I know quite a few people who fit your narrow minded,artificial criteria for “real Americaness” or “real Germaness” or whatever.

    Yet many of them if asked would tell you that they do not see themselves as being of their birth place nation or of the nation where they spent the “plurality of their time before the age of 18″.

    Most of these people are Americans with parents who were diplomats or were in international businesses either for-profits, NGO’s or missionaries.

    You may have heard of Joe Strummer of the Clash. He was born in Turkey and live in Mexico Egypt and Germany until he finally move back to England at the age of 10.

    A typical diplomat kid like many of my friends who are “real americans”.

    Has they been good enough why should they have been denied the chance to play for the US?

  282. T says:

    Your stretching it by saying “in shambles”, there are some pretty good players from France alone. You say it as if without Algeria “alone” they’d be terrible which is not true.

  283. Warren says:

    Yeah, Manchester United has no use for Mexican players..oops.

    And Barecelona would never play a Mexican like Marquez…oops.

  284. GW says:

    The real question is Rachel MacAdams or being drafted by the Yankees?

  285. GW says:

    You and Kasey miss the point. Have you ever seen their women?

  286. Warren says:

    Playing poorly makes us look weak.

    Playing well or at least better with a Chandler and Johnson on the field – that’s what ‘real Americans’ care about.

  287. fischy says:

    Uh-huh. What results has Klinsi gotten so far? Yes, he’s bringing in kids who have more skill and an understanding of the game that American kids don’t have, but it does take more than that to win in international soccer. It takes real passion. We’ll see if these German ringers Klinsi is bringing in will have that passion. We’ll see if they produce results. So far, the haven’t — at least, not good results. One win. Just one win.

  288. fischy says:

    No, I think he’s saying we should want players who really represent our country, not some ringers who are just looking to pad their resumes and get a chance at playing in the World Cup. He’s not saying that the players we have should be learning English — he’s saying we should want to have as a starting point players who are American — who are connected to America in some way other than that their dads used to live there. And, there’s nothing wrong with saying that.

    Of course, you can argue that we’re getting better players this way — but Zimmerman may have a point about the passion for the team. If these guys don’t have that, it will show on the field, eventually.

  289. PetedeLA says:

    …unless their fathers ran out on them.

  290. phlub says:

    I find myself not routing -as much- for USMT players who haven’t lived or played in the US. I can’t really help it. I understand the point that the US is made of lots of immigrants and indeed foreign-born players. But Jones, Williams, Chandler, Johnson, and Diskerud for that matter all have zero affiliation with the US game and have never lived here. Adu, Holden, Agudelo (foreign-born players) at least spent a considerable amount of time in the US system and grew up here as well.

    There’s really no reason why the dual-nationality players shouldn’t be playing for the US. Emotionally, it’s just harder for me (a domestic American) to get behind them in comparison with players who came up in one sense or another within the US system. I understand the frustration that Zimmerman is expressing, but Klinsman obviously is intelligent enough to pick who is best for the team from all who are legally eligible. That’s his job. The January camp is finally dipping into more of the younger domestic pool, so now these guys will have there chance to prove if they deserve it more than the dual-nationality players with no other US ties or any others who’ve been capped already for that matter. It’s really survival of the fittest at this point.

  291. DingDong says:

    Inside in the Rogers Centre, where the Blue Jays play.

  292. Jordi says:

    Truth hurts! So much hate for G. Rossi when he sided for Italy. Hurts when shoe on other foot. I totally agree that JK is cherry picking Germans with American fathers. American citizens by birth (assuming born on US base), but not American by culture, language, customs, way of thinking. Cannot be. I was born abroad and came to USA at 10. I am an American citizen, but don’t feel “American”. My kids were born here (USA) and could play for another country, but they never grew up there, don’t understand the culture, the people, way of thinking. Yes, JK is getting “Americans” in name only.

  293. martha says:

    If enough “Real” Americans were good enough than keep “Fake” Americans wouldnt make the team.

    Its harder to get American citizenship then almost anyonewhere else in the world.

    Heck I think you can get Mex citizinship by taking a week vacation in Cancun. They always have an Argentinan or Brazilian in the mix.

    Everyone is naturalizing players we are behind them. Italy had a Argentinian when they won the WC. The only ones who dont are probably Brazil. I think Spain had had “fake” Spaniards and Argetina has a “fake” Argentinian.

  294. Award says:

    Yeah it seems Preston needs to look at other countries as well. Italy, France, germany, England, and many other countries use Dual Nationals.

  295. Award says:

    You Know whats funny is that all of the German-Americans have their American fathers either still married to the German mother and living in Germany or they have greta relationships and visit their fathers here in the states. Maybe you should do some research about these guys before you make dumb assumptions.

  296. Award says:

    You are an idiot.

  297. Award says:

    Exactly. he is upset because he has not got the call for an Olympic camp, adn now he will never get that call. Not only that this dude is not a very good player.

  298. Award says:

    No they have to get a U.S. passport. If you are born to an american overseas; all you have to do is apply for a U.S. passport.

  299. award says:

    Suffice it to say that Zimmerman will not be on any U.S. radars after this. Really dumb assessment by him. Regardless if you were born in this country or not; if you are a U.S. citizen and are good enough to play for any of the U.S. national teams then that said player has every right to play for the U.S. If it is a dream for said player to play for the U.S. then nobody has the right to take that from you. Jones, Williams, Johnson, and Chandler have all been very emotional the first time they represented the U.S. Andrew Wooten has blantantly come out and said that he wants to represent the U.S. and not Germany. Boyd on the other hand has said he would think about taking a Germany call-up, but very much wants to keep on representing the U.S. The U.S. is not the only country that uses dual nationals. Italy, France, Germany, Argentina, England all have used dual nationals. Italy, and Argentina currently have U.S. born players either playing for the full team or in their youth teams. Mexico has U.S. born players in their youth teams. Preston Zimmerman seems like a disgruntled player for not getting called-up to the U23 camps.

  300. Ray's Dad's Cadillac says:

    Zimmerman: »The kids in college are just as good, if not better, than some of the kids from the reserve teams getting invited to camp«

    These reserve players must be really bad, because college ball blows hot vomit chunks.

  301. nic d "the TX 2 Stepper" says:

    Adu has spent less than Half his life here. He learned playing in Ghana. We benefited from his learning/training on the dirt fields of Accra. He won a Green Card lottery and we won the lottery too.

    I believe Benny has similar circumstances (Brazilian)

    Juan to a lesser extent.

    NONE of these kicked a soccer ball for the first time in America

  302. Goalscorer24@hotmail.com says:

    These are the same arguments that Klinsmann got when he brought players of polish descent into the German national team. All national teams get to deal with this issue.

  303. nic d "the TX 2 Stepper" says:

    When did America become the adopted home of these German-Americans

    I have friends/cousins and nieces and nephews who never stepped foot into this country until they went to either Highschool or College (Military brats (German/Japanese). Is America their “Adopted” home?

    Give me a break!

  304. Ray's Dad's Cadillac says:

    Also, gotta say that if we’re trying to find as many German players as possible, then that may mean Klinsi is either obsessed with German players or thinks that the MLS doesn’t have enough talent to fill out the roster.

    I believe it’s reason number two. It’s 1998 all over again. The Mason Brothers, David Wagner, etc. Not a good sign.

  305. Aaron in StL says:

    Get back to your dish-washing bro. You can only say, “I’m not bitter” and “I’m not hating” so many times where it doesn’t come across as blatant hate.

  306. Goalscorer24 says:

    Seems to me Zimmerman is just looking for some media attention. I guess he got it.

  307. nic d "the TX 2 Stepper" says:

    Hartley it is our right to put down His (Asinine/Near-Xenophobic/STUPID) opinion just like it was His right to express his.

    It’s American! Surely there can be no gripe with that?

    It’s also stupid to think that “These are the same people that think they are always right about everything.” Try not to project.

  308. Ray's Dad's Cadillac says:

    Podolski and Klose are German citizens growing up in Germany playing in the Bundesliga. They were eligible through lineage to play for Poland, but both have strong cultural roots in Polish and German culture.

    That’s a far cry from recruiting players from Germany who can’t speak English and have no connection to the US apart from their eligibility to play for the US on the international level.

  309. Goalscorer24 says:

    I question the “they could not respond in English.” Most of the younger Germans know English better then many Americans.

  310. Ray's Dad's Cadillac says:

    Podolski and Klose are German citizens growing up in Germany playing in the Bundesliga. They were eligible through lineage to play for Poland, but both have strong cultural roots in Polish and German culture.

    That’s a far cry from recruiting players from Germany who can’t speak English and have no connection to the US apart from their eligibility to play for the US on the international level.

  311. Ray's Dad's Cadillac says:

    Sorry for the double post.

  312. nic d "the TX 2 Stepper" says:

    The USMNT has had a pretty bad run of results which is well represented by all the “products” of the USSF. Thus the change. Maybe a little oversimplified but overall pretty damn accurate.

  313. nic d "the TX 2 Stepper" says:

    He couldn’t start over Chris Birchall for TnT

    He couldn’t start over Alonzo for Cuba (and he will never get called up again)

    Zimmerman is a joke. I wish he played in MLS so I could boo him in Frisco and Houston!

  314. whateverman says:

    whoa what a debate.

    I must say I’ve been curious about the number of German Americans Klinsmann has found, almost out of nowhere. But they are AMERICAN and wish to play for us. It’d be 1 thing if they were Scottish or Peruvian nationals with no claim to the USA except having played enough years in MLS to claim US citizenship.

    but don’t Chandler, Jones and the rest speak English? I could have sworn I read they had family in the US. do they not keep in contact?

  315. Goalscorer24 says:

    So would these German American selections be ok if Bradley made them?

  316. nic d "the TX 2 Stepper" says:

    Brian Ching – Pacific Islander (Asian Descent)

    In reply to 3.

    1. My Great Grandfather (Mom) came here by choice (Irish)
    2. My Great Grandfather (Dad) did not come here by choice (Grandson of slaves)

    Further more – Agudelo/Adu were brought here by parents. They DID NOT choose America. Your premise is stupid or at best your proof does not support the premise. TRY AGAIN.

  317. nic d "the TX 2 Stepper" says:

    Thanks for adding your voice.

    ” maybe this shows the limits of Twitter and trying to think and express in 140 letters at a time.”

    That ^^^^^ is a gem!

  318. nic d "the TX 2 Stepper" says:

    Shane, I’m not sure Klinsman has used in Germans. I’m sure Sepp would probably not like that too much (unless there was a huge bag of CA$H in his limo). He would probably get that right.

  319. nic d "the TX 2 Stepper" says:

    Zimmerman wants to see the Long Form Birth certificate!

  320. Goalscorer24 says:

    So it is wrong for these German American players to play with the US because there is opportunity invovled? Nobody comes to the US because of better opportunity.

  321. nic d "the TX 2 Stepper" says:

    I thought that I followed all the Yanks Abroad. DID NOT KNOW HE EXISTED.

    3rd Division German League

    that sums it up

  322. nic d "the TX 2 Stepper" says:

    “… thinks that the MLS doesn’t have enough talent to fill out the roster.”

    Um, yeah, he’s right. Do me a por favor, post your USMNT worthy MLS player in a 442.

    Which one replaces Danny, Fabian, Tim or Jermain?

  323. Edwin in LA says:

    And I love how he says there’s good enough players for the U-23 team and Us full national team yet he’s sticking around in Europe for any mediocre level of 3rd or 2nd divisions maybe 4th I don’t know instead of coming to MLS where he said there are plenty of good enough Americans playing…..

  324. Edwin in LA says:

    I’ve met plenty of beautiful Spaniard hot woman and Argentina has some great looking ladies as well, but did you not see the lol thus making another joke about the potential of us having an airbase there? lol

  325. Edwin in LA says:

    You’re right. Without Algeria, and all the Caribbean Islands and some African nations they’d be in shambles….

  326. Edwin in LA says:

    He actually did CHOOSE 2 of the 5 in question.

    Jermaine Jones and Tim Chandler. Klinsmann brought along Fabian Johnson & Danny Williams and he called in Alfredo Morales but he didn’t play Morales..

  327. MicahK says:

    Maybe he was drunk when he did this, lol. Too many beers.

  328. MicahK says:

    Morales plays for a team who is in the Bundesliga 1 not in the Bundesliga 2 Hertha use to be in the Bundesliga 2.

  329. Karol says:

    Klose and Podolski were brought in by Voeller not Klinsmann. They are Germans by birth according to the German constitution AND moved to Germany at a very young age.

  330. MicahK says:

    I think you missed the point. The difference is that they live in Germany they do not live in America. That is why they do not speak English very well. The only people I have met in America who cannot speak English very well are people who immigrate here recently or a long time ago and do not want to learn English, or never had the time to learn. I have never met an American who lives in the states who cannot speak English very well the people you are referring to are immigrants who immigrate here they are not citizens. If it is a immigrant who is applying for US citizenship they would have to speak English very well to get citizenship to be able to be a US citizen.

  331. MicahK says:

    Also another this that baffles me is that Preston Zimmerman is of German descent. Zimmerman is a German surname that means carpenter. So Preston Zimmermans ancestors immigrated at one time from Germany to the USA . So what is his deal?

  332. joynalf@yahoo.com says:

    The boy certianly exposed some strong feelings on both sides and the middle. So his tweets were very sucsessful. One observation is that people use the ‘R’ word like a badge if someone disagrees with them. There were a lot of good points made and this would not have happened if one young man had not opened his mouth and expressed himself. I don’t believe many in his place would have felt much different but many would not have uttered a single word about it. Bravo Preston Zimmerman!

  333. Min-Hee says:

    - 1

    you clearly didn’t read the post, and just throw the word racism around indiscriminately.

    Its perfectly logical to say a person who was not born, and NEVER LIVED in the US is not a full American.

    I have Korean parentage, but having never lived there I’m not surprised when Koreans don’t consider me a full Korean

  334. Min-Hee says:

    sorry posted in wrong place.

    this was meant to be @ Ricky B

  335. D-Bo says:

    I liked this part:

    “Don’t want anybody to take my tweets negatively or as criticism to make somebody look bad, I just have passion and interest in the US team”…

    Right after he negatively criticises the way in which the players are chosen for the team. Gotta love that kind of backtracking immediately after attacking someone.

    I also liked the stated lack of jealously from a guy that plays in a 3rd division and won’t sniff the field for the senior team.

    Also, I’ve seen a lot of tinkering by Klinsy to see what he has. I’ll worry about results when we start losing WC Qualifiers to Grenada.

  336. Soccer Rules says:

    Preston Zimmerman says, “Don’t want anybody to take my tweets negatively or as criticism to make somebody look bad, I just have passion and interest in the US team”. Well, Preston’s comments are not helpful to either him or the national team. He is entitled to his opinion, of course. But those German kids, whether he likes it or not, are American according to the US constitution and according to FIFA rules, they have the right to play for the US National team. If Preston thinks he is so much better than them, he should prove it on the pitch and take their place on the team. I, personally doubt it will ever happen.

  337. mastaliu says:

    “true real Americans”…..code language for racism….who are the true real Americans? Zimmerman means true real Americans that look, talk, and think like him. What an idiot.

  338. Jeremy says:

    I guess he doesn’t understand that this country is melting pot. So with his thinking some of the recent pioneers of US soccer like Tab Ramos, Thomas Dooley, Earnie Stewart, Roy Wegerle, Fernando Clavijo, Hugo Perez (all members of the 90 and/or 94 WC squads) should not have represented the US

  339. marco says:

    Nice to hear your definition of ‘true American’. Preston didn’t give us his definition of a ‘real American’, but we got the hint. Now put both of your definitions in the trash can, as we are a nation of laws.

  340. Pitt Evertonian says:

    I have to agree with Zimmerman. I mean does Jermaine Jones really care if the US loses to Mexico??

  341. marco says:

    Simon and Garfunkel summed up Zimmerman’s complaint in one line,
    “where have you gone Joe DiMaggio”

    Preston, Jolting Joe was the son of immigrants. You need Mickey Mantel.

  342. marco says:

    Does Bornstein?

  343. JoeW says:

    PZ is a punk.

    1. I’m not in the tank for Klinsi. Maybe he’ll turn out to be a good choice for USNT coach, maybe not. But he’s doing something that he promised…expanding the USNT pool. He’s giving repeated chances to guys might normally not get a second look, he’s trying to expand the use of hispanic players. He actually isn’t that reliant on German-Americans (Chandler and JJ were part of the BB regime as pointed out by others).

    2. The U23 camp in Germany…uh didn’t that have to do with getting access to USNT players and talent who were overseas? Guys who…by they time they fly to the states…are jet lagged and have one full day of practice.

  344. primoone says:

    The official language proposed here in the states was actually German…the irony of it all.

  345. Obviously written by a disgruntled (and ethnocentric)player who hasn’t lived up to his own expectations, now playing for a third-tier German team. Let’s face it: the U.S. men’s national team has yet to be consistently successful and a big part of the reason is that the team has relied on players with U.S. experience only — college or otherwise — rather than experience in countries where soccer is played with passion. The U.S. team, even when moderately successful, has been one of the most boring teams to watch. I’ll wait and see what Klinnesman puts together.

  346. Stephen says:

    You don’t understand? It’s simple. We root for the US. When they lose a good player some of us go a little crazy, when we get a good player we’re all happy. Not difficult to understand. Is it consistant? No, but it is what it is.

  347. DaveInSLO says:

    Being born in Germany means you can’t be president of the US, it does not mean that you can’t be a left back on the USMNT. You don’t like the fact that an American, with an American serviceman as his father, born in Germany, is getting his rightful chance to earn a spot on the US Team? Tough. It’s not your call. You don’t like that English isn’t their first language? What kind of criteria is that? You can’t draw a line in the sand and say “the demarcation of ‘real americans’ starts here…” Unless we plan to field a team entirely made up of players Cherokee, Lakota, Navajo, Apache nations then we’re always going to have a team of mixed heritage from outside the US. You have to be born in the US to be President, you don’t have to be born in the US to be American. Zimmerman, by the way, should stay of Twitter while he’s drinking.

  348. SadUSfan says:

    Yeah, American citizenship is open and inclusive. LOL.

  349. SadUSfan says:

    I couldn’t speak English when I arrived in this country either. Now I stand before you a man that will die for this country.

    Do you think Jermaine Jones would die for America? Jermaine Jones wouldn’t even play for America if Germany wanted him. If he was good enough for them.

  350. SadUSfan says:

    I don’t think you understand. None of them have made that choice yet. If Germany wants ANY of them. Germany gets WHOEVER they want.

  351. SadUSfan says:

    Lint licker.

  352. totes_racist says:

    I think a disconnect between the two general sides of the above arguments exists in understanding why some people are uneasy about people who skeptics believe are essentially German wearing the USA’s colors. This is subjective, but personally, I want the players that are representing the country I love and playing for the team that I love to be passionate and dedicated- not just trying to get capped somewhere, but proudly representing the colors and winning for the American fans- afterall, I think think that’s the whole point of creating national teams as opposed to club teams. I don’t know these German born dual citizens personally, but I assume growing up in Germany and being immersed in the German culture, they are more likely to be passionate and proud regarding Germany’s success, and more are more likely to join the US team as mercenaries looking to step on the field in the World Cup one day. I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT POINT IS CONJECTURE AND MIGHT NOT BE THE CASE, and that these guys might truly identify as dual citizens. If they genuinely are excited and passionate about representing the United States, (regardless of their cultural or linguistic ties), I welcome them with open arms and am excited to live in a country and support a team that is inclusive of all citizens. I just don’t want mercenaries, and I don’t think its outlandish to suggest these German born players MIGHT be more likely to fit that description. While I think there is some amount of xenophobia flying around here, I don’t think my feeling is xenophobic at all.

  353. gabe says:

    In a way, although I totally understand why Ives would post this, I wish it wasn’t on this page. Who the hell is Preston Zimmerman? I feel like a guy like this who wrote so much in way of attack who isn’t trying to be “negative” and has such a small pedigree of accomplishment shouldn’t get his own article.

    Now, in reference to some of the things he’s said, I would say that the only call-ups Jurgen has made that I have taken issue with are Edgar Castillo, Michael Orozco Fiscal, and the continued presence of Beckerman as a starter…that’s about it. Williams, Johnson, Jones, and Chandler all deserve places in the team, whether it be the bench or otherwise. I also agree with others that have posted that the supposed MLS-bias is a joke. Brek Shea is the starting LM, a young player with more upside than actual accomplishment on the pitch, who has proven his worth in the short time he has played.

    Also, the “worse than under Bob Bradley” comment lends to reason that Preston here didn’t like the old system either. Boo hoo. I think Jurgen has created a competitive camp environment vs the status quot of the Bradley regime (remember when Rico Clark and J. Bornstein regularly started over others?). He wants to introduce as many new faces as possible to find the right squad before a competitive tournament where in which results will actually matter. I love the “I haven’t seen success” comments. What an idiot. If this dude doesn’t understand the basic concept of new player introduction in a friendly match environment, then once again he has proven that he is no more qualified to comment on the state of the team than he is to see the pitch for the stars and stripes, which trust me will never happen both based on skill and his comments.

  354. Joamiq says:

    Actually, I’m not sure that’s true. I’m pretty sure I’ve heard these guys talk about how they actually feel more comfortable in the US because of how our culture deals with mixed race people, particularly those with some black heritage.

  355. Kevin_Amold says:

    Your comment was pretty bad and needed to be addressed. There is plenty to disagree with in Mr. Zimmerman’s remarks without ludicrously linking his opinions about the US National soccer team setup to skinheads who have and probably still do commit real acts of violence against people they disagree with. The comparison is just non-existent.

  356. gabe says:

    I want to point out also that MANY other players play for other national sides. The case with out players usually includes a serviceman parent, so keep your comments on patriotism to yourselves. This goes for Preston Zimmerman as well. I love the quote that reads something about wanting players who would fight and die for the US. Funny thing, as is the case with Jones and others, his family actually DID put themselves in that scenario, whereas Preston is armchairing from a position of bitter priviledge. Go join the army, Zimmerman. You’d probably have more success there than you will as a footballer.

  357. Joamiq says:

    Timmy Chandler is what he thinks he is, not what you say he is.

  358. Joamiq says:

    In what sense? Have you looked at a map of Europe and the Middle East? You could fit the whole of Mexico in between Germany and Turkey.

  359. Joamiq says:

    This is a stupid argument. How many people would actually DIE for their country? Would Landycakes die for America?

  360. loosek says:

    Would Earnie Stewart have gotten capped by Holland, or Thomas Dooley by Germany? Probably not. Anyone wanna poo-poo their contributions to “American” soccer?

    Zimmerman couldn’t carry either one of those guys’ jockstraps, and his Twitter outburst will surely prove to be his most lasting contribution to soccer in this country.

  361. Joamiq says:

    They could have chosen not to accept the callups.

  362. DaveInSlo says:

    Totes_racist,

    That was thoughtful and well-reasoned. You are not welcome here ;)

    I’d be curious to know how many of the people who feel qualified to identify the “real Americans” were upset when players like Subotic or Rossi chose other countries over the USA. Coach Rongen was almost universally panned when it was claimed he “chased” Subotic from representing the US. If Subotic wants to represent another country then he probably wasn’t all that excited about being part of the USMNT, but it was Rongen who was pilloried for Subotic’s decision. It’s tough to know what lies in the heart and head of another man, and those claiming to know are probably doing more to lazily reveal a stance for which they have no reasonable argument to use as a defense.

  363. gabe says:

    last point haha does this guy know that English is ENGLAND’s national language and not of the United States? If he were british the BNP would be waiting for him…

  364. Joamiq says:

    What on earth do YOU know about our “team culture”?

  365. Joamiq says:

    We’re seriously just going to accept as gospel the hearsay claims of some butthurt hack?

  366. Barry says:

    Sometimes the truth hurts. Wake up Juergen. Our national program has been going downhill for the last decade. MLS is not doing any favors by allowing rugby-like hits with no officiating. There’s no individual skill nor team fluidity development in the states, just brute force soccer. Why else do countries 1/10 our size smoke us repeatedly?

  367. prizby says:

    Zimmerman is dead on…i mean Teal Bunbury…a guy who said it would be “wrong” to play for the US…can’t go argueing that

  368. Murph says:

    German Beer is very strong mate, stop drunk Tweeting…

  369. Four Cents says:

    Who aren’t? the Polish? Tunisian? team we call the German team? I can list may countries and many players who use the dual-citizenship rule to the fullest, and they get results. Being an American patriot and avid soccer fan myself- I have no problem with having a foreign coach, or using this rule to the USMNT’s benefit as well.. Sounds to me like Zimmerman is getting teased too much by his German teammates and he’s venting childishly via twitter…

  370. Four Cents says:

    +1 Made me laugh..

  371. Soccer Rules says:

    Zimmerman would never tell that to Jermaine Jones in his face. I doubt anyone in his right mind would. That guy is tough as nails.

  372. Soccer Rules says:

    Very good arguments and nice grammar. Kudos to you!

  373. Soccer Rules says:

    According to Preston Zimmerman’s US Nationality rules, John McCain is not a “Real American” since he was born in Panama.

  374. Soccer Rules says:

    Nice post. I agree with you 100%.

  375. Charlie says:

    Our team culture? Your bigotry is just disgusting.

  376. dario says:

    Hes actually right.. All those players that are from Europe, mainly Germany will never have a chance to play for their countries national team. So we pretty much we get their leftovers…. We need players that have passion for this country. not some players that don’t even know the national anthem or even the capital of this country and most importantly DON’T SPEAK ENGLISH! That is a shame…..

  377. JonesJunior says:

    Sure these players are Americans because legally they are and their heroic parents did serve in the military (even if some weren’t involved in the upbringing of these kids).

    The annoying part is that Jurgen is just using his ties to recruit players. Be honest to yourselves USA fans; there is no way in hell these kids are CHOOSING to represent the USA. It’s a cheap tactic to try and quick fix the US national team. Instead we should be working on the youth structure in this country so we can build players.

    Personally I’d rather have an entirely Mexican team of non-citizens who have spent time in this country and worked hard to get here than a spoiled German who doesn’t know the difference between states and cities and is upset he’ll never have what it takes to make the German team.

  378. Charlie says:

    Great post. Thanks!

  379. Rick says:

    He’s absolutely right and I’m glad someone brought this up. What kind of team do we really want to represent the US? These guys are all German through and through, including Jones and Chandler. They would play for Germany first. Go ahead and read the German media. All these guys have in connection to the US is that their moms were knocked up by servicemen and then left, giving them the right to a passport they never obtained until they got called up. We need to develop more people here and not be so desperate to search out these types of players. All the dual citizens playing for Germany and France live there and are part of the society. German Turks playing for Turkey also have connections to the culture. Don’t compare the dual citizens on those teams to these Germans. Preston is right to be critical and so should the rest of us. If we can’t develop our own players, we don’t deserve to make it to the world cup.

  380. marco says:

    Preston is wrong on all counts. US Constitution writes citizenship requirements. FIFA writes eligibility requirements. Coach determines ability. That’s it. If you don’t like those laws change them. Those who want to add language, residence, patriotism, and enthusiasm, requirements scare me. I hope your wishes are never fulfilled here in the states.

  381. nic d the "tx 2 stepper" says:

    MLS has such good American player that HE HAS TO FIND WORK IN GERMANY’S 3rd DIVISION.

    It’s Official

    ZIMMERMAN could NOT make it in MLS

  382. nic d the "tx 2 stepper" says:

    And he’s been the coach of that program for let’s see …

    Decade = 10 years
    1 year = 12 months
    Jerrgen Hired in August = less than 5 months

    5/120

    *** IT’S OFFICIAL ***

    Jeurgen Klinsman is 4% responsible for the decline of US Soccer

  383. Ben says:

    So Werner Von Braun didn’t help with our missile program during the Cold war?

  384. David Turner says:

    So, if my buddy, who is currently fighting in Afghanistan and is stationed in Germany, has a son who happens to grow up there and become amazing in soccer some of you would have a problem with him being called up simply because he was not born in the U.S.?

  385. marco says:

    Questions
    Are tweets public domain.
    Ives did you get permission from Preston, required or not?

    Just curious, because as an old in the tooth divorcee, explaining complicated positions in such few words is dangerous. I never use that format for anything more complicated than hello/goodbye.

  386. chris says:

    30 games is hell of alot more than MLS reserve games. What does different rules have to do with anything? So someone doesnt get to play 90 minutes big deal. I would rather have a player working on the technical and tactical aspects of the game than worring about playing 90 minutes. I like the countdown clock. Keeps the time wasting and faking injuries out of the game. I have many friends and family that play college soccer and they only take off a short winter break and are back it again practicing in the spring.

  387. DaveInSLO says:

    -1

  388. DaveInSLO says:

    +1

  389. Gnarls says:

    I’m a couple days behind since I’m on vacation, but way to go SBI dudes. Chapelle quotes make the world go ’round.

  390. Alex says:

    I would say he’s bitter (even though he denies being jealous), but not only because he hasn’t been called to the senior national team. He’s in the exact opposite boat as guys like Jones, Chandler, and Williams. He’s a German-American who most likely has the talent but wasn’t given the benefit of the doubt, by Germans, because he’s American. I understand where he’s coming from, but he comes off as a whiny 5 year old.

  391. ThaDeuce says:

    Bahahahahahaha
    Just seeing this post. He should have posted that on SBI, anonymously! hahaha!! What a fool. Hope he doesn’t turn out to be good, and then has a distant relative in Ireland…

  392. TGA says:

    Dual nationals are nothing new to USMNT. This list starts at 1990…

    Hugo Perez
    Tab Ramos
    Earnie Stewart
    Thomas Dooley (German: beaten by Klinsmann in 1998 WC
    David Regis (no english)
    Pablo Mastroeni
    Carlos Llamosa
    Benny Feilhaber

    So why are we complaining now..

  393. tbrennan says:

    As an answer to some comments about my earlier post:

    I’m disappointed a few people chose to take a few lines of what was basically a positive opinion out of context. My point was that anyone who wants to be an American (regardless of your race, ethnicity or country of origin) should be welcomed on the U.S. National team. I was differentiating this from people who might use technicalities to create the best international soccer opportunity for themselves. This has nothing to do with race. And, outside of a suspicion (but not an accusation)about Jermaine Jones, I didn’t accuse any current member of the U.S. player pool of doing this. In fact, I pointed out that some dual nationals were NOT doing it.

    My comments also had nothing to do with the technical requirements for citizenship. I’m not saying these players aren’t entitled to citizenship. So “Marco’s” point about this being a “nation of laws” is irrelevant. I don’t dispute that.

    Those who picked out exceptions in my “True Americans” definition didn’t read my post carefully enough. See below:
    “3. To me America is a country of choice. Unlike VIRTUALLY any other country, MOST Americans are here because they themselves or their ancestors chose to become Americans.” EMPHASIS ADDED

    Yes, many countries have multi-ethnic populations. In fact, that extends beyond the western hemisphere to every country in the world (tribal ancestry, etc.). My point was that the United States has one of the most ethnically diverse populations in the world and derives a greater share of its population from immigration than most other countries.

    The focus on my use of the term “True American” was odd since it was pretty clear that I was trying to fit my point within the comments Zimmerman made. That’s why I used quotes. I had forgotten that Zimmerman used “real americans” instead of “true americans.”

    I hope this discussion continues (whether stemming from this Zimmerman article or future articles). I think this is an interesting and nuanced issue for U.S. Soccer. So I would be curious to see what people think about it.

  394. Goalscorer24 says:

    lol!