What do you think of Bradley’s re-hiring?

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The news of Bob Bradley’s contract extension came as a bit of a surprise on Monday, but now that folks have had a chance to let it sink in, it’s time to see what you really think of the decision.

Not happy with the new contract for Bradley? Were you hoping for Juergen Klinsmann? Are you glad Bradley is sticking around? Cast your vote here:

What’s my take on the decision? You can read it here at FoxSoccer.com. In short, I think the decision to re-sign Bradley was a good one. You can choose to disagree, but that’s how I see it.

Now that you’ve had some time to think about the decision, which way did you vote? Think it was the right move, or do you consider it a mistake?

Share your thoughts below.

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241 Responses to What do you think of Bradley’s re-hiring?

  1. Erik says:

    I like Bob, I really do. However, his poor decision making has cost us games time and time again.

    Also, this reminds me of Washington and how everyone always takes care of their own first. Sunil needs to go – he ran unopposed in his election and I don’t think he ever played the game himself.

    Bad decision, but maybe there wasn’t anyone else out there?

  2. jackson says:

    Is it a coincidence that this came right on the heels of USSF discussions with Klinsmann? It would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall for that meeting!

  3. Freddy says:

    I was impressed with Bob’s tenure. We were finally playing more competitive opposition in friendlies than we were with Arena. We won the Gold Cup, Made the Final in the Confed Cup and made a respectable finish at the World Cup. We played Brazil 4 times, Argentina 2 times, Spain two times, Italy and England. The only thing that bothers me about him is his use of subs.

  4. baquito alyeska says:

    I’m satisfied. It seems that the only other choice on hand would have been Klinsmann but nothing ever convinced me he’d be the coach that the US system needs at this point.

  5. cmod says:

    I like Bradley, I think he’s a good coach, just don’t like the idea of the same coach for two consecutive world cups

  6. seamus says:

    This is a disaster. Grant Wahl had a great blurb about the historical performance of “two-term” World Cup coaches and it’s abysmal. The USMNT system right now is stagnant, bordering on broken. Team selection is run like an exclusive fraternity and Sunil’s insistence that American coaches are innately better at coaching American players is ignorant and chauvanist.

    Bradley Out. Sunil Out. ASAP

  7. Dave says:

    I can magically see into the future: a first round exit in Brazil 2014 and Bradley fired shortly thereafter.

  8. Jamez says:

    The thing about American coaches being best for American players would be true if all the players still played in the UNITED STATES under an American style system. The team has a bunch of overseas players right now who have adopted to various styles of playing . I think A coach with a better Tactical Mind would have benefited this Team. Bob as cool as he seems to be is just not that knowledgeable in regards to Tactics. He keeps proving that by starting the wrong players and failing to make the necessary adjustments before games.

  9. Ricky B. Free says:

    Bob bradley is 1 of the top 3 coaches in the world. Domeneck being number 1 and Maradona Number 2.

  10. Rad says:

    I dont know a player that has ever disliked him. He is a player’s coach and unlike Lippi and Domnech, he doesnt start controversy over stupid things. Should he have been looked at for the job? yes Should he have been given the right to take the job. He deserved it. From what i am readings around the world. Every writer/ reporter outside the US Soccer fan perspective or writer catering to the US fan says its a bad move. But for a lot of other writers like Ives who report on Soccer, not the USMNT lovefest,it is viewed as a good move.

  11. DEAC says:

    Really, you’re going to play the “never played the game” card? That’s just pathetic.
    One can point to decisions Bradley made that were dubious and ultimately debilitating. (Clark & Findley vs. Ghana, for instance).
    However, one also can point to the fact he made the decision to elevate C. Davies vs. Egypt and started the run that led to the Confed Cup finals and to World Cup qualification.
    Bradley’s record is, by U.S. Soccer standards, unassailable. He performed in every major, A-team tournament: 07 Gold Cup, 09 Confed Cup, 09 qualifying, 10 World Cup.
    Have his decisions frustrated me at times? Of course. And so have the decisions made by every coach of every team I’ve ever followed. I’ve yet to read a single lucid takedown of Bradley.

  12. Klinsi says:

    Here’s my question – who elects Sunil Gulati? Seriously, how does he get all this power and who does he answer to? Is there some sort of US Soccer Board of Directors?

  13. Der Sting says:

    This decision tells me that the USSF has no ambition higher than the second round of the World Cup. This is where the bar is set and that mediocrity is fine with them. I would hope for a better showing next Cup myself. It is time for a change, it is shown time after time that coaches in their second cycle do worse in their second cup attempt with precious few exeptions. Bradley’s biggest fault is is unflagging loyalty to mediocre players, (ie Bornstein, Clark) We have better talent coming (not that they are on par with the young Germans or Spainyards)but will he leave his comfort zone to include them? One problem is the pool of available coaches at the present time.

    The biggest problem is player development, Many African countries can identify and develop far better than we can at present. Gulati is happy with the present system so all we can hope for is the first or second round…

  14. Jamez says:

    I was thinking that same thing, with other sports in America, the big wigs have to answer to the people becuase the Media are all over them. In soccer its as if no one cares so the can do what they want and not give a damm about what the fans think. they are like Wall street and Washington we say no Bailout they say F U .

  15. Bordering on broken? That’s just laughable. Winning your group at the World Cup and placing second at the Confed Cup are historic achievements. And that qualifies as bordering on broken for you? Get a grip.

  16. Wm. says:

    You say that without even knowing who we draw into our group?

  17. jai_brooklyn says:

    Completely agree with you on this, Ives. But my 2 cents might even shock you. I think Bob Bradley has overachieved. With the level of talent at his disposal, he’s actually done wonders. And his team has always come ready to play. Never backed down to anybody. That’s a testament to the players too, of course. As the US talent pool gets larger, he might even achieve grater results. But of course, no one’s going to give him any credit for that. That would be too much to ask.

  18. Ricky B. Free says:

    I say it is a bad decision, here is the why?

    He only has 2 playing styles, The counter attack and the full attack when we are losing. His counter attack consists of having 4 defenders stay inside the goal area and 2 defensive mids that drop back and stay just outside our goal area, this could be fine but Bradley has the defensive mids just float around the players that have the ball, there is no pressure on the ball. This gives the player with the ball a lot of time to think what he is going to do or wait for the other offensive players to make runs.

    There are lot of examples I will just give 2, one of them was against England at the world cup when Gerrad made his run the us was on top of the goal area and they had no time to react. The otehr one came against Brazil in the post world cup friendly.

    Another flaw in Bob Bradleys counter attack style is that our wingers have to drop back to our goal line to cover for our left and right backs, Why? Because Bob bradley has our backs playing and clogging the middle of our goal area, this leaving the flanks unmarked.

    When we win the ball near our goal area there are only 2 players near the midfield are trying to win balls against 4 defensive players and sometimes 5. We ask our strikers to win the ball and wait for our midfielders to come help them. Our midfielders take 5 to 10 seconds to come help them, because they are all near our goal area.

    This style of play creates a open space between our goal area and the midfield area without having US players to connect defense to offense this making the players around the goal area to kick the ball upfield and hoping for the best.

    You can play counter attack, but you need your defensive mids to pressure the ball and our left and right back to try and defend the flanks. Dempsey and Landonn can come and help the backs. But you cant have them defending near our goal area all the time.

  19. agnigrin says:

    +1 Couldn’t have said it better myself…

  20. agnigrin says:

    You said the same thing for this year’s WC…

  21. BFT says:

    I do think Bradley is a good coach and that he did a very good job these past 4 years.

    That said, I really don’t like the idea of back to back 4 year tenures. There is an element of staleness that can set in, and I really suspect that Bob has taken the team as far as he can.

  22. Murphy says:

    The main argument against not re-signing Bradley is the fact that in the most important tournament (the World Cup) his team consistently started out terrible and gave up early goals or almost did in the Algeria game. In every other sport (in the U.S.) teams that perform poorly consistently provoke management to fire the coach to change the direction of the team.

    Yeah Bradley did well especially compared to the 2006 disaster but with a better coach I think the U.S. would have played better. The argument that he doesn’t have the greatest players is not that relevant–some coaches can make players better. Look at Hiddink’s success with several teams that are not traditional powers. Also Capello had great players in England and look how bad they played. I would blame that on coaching as well–especially in choices of players like Capello refusing to play Hart who was clearly better than Green or James.

    This is just a depressing move and there should have been a change. Now we will get more of the same from Bob, and probably most of the same players. Some of Bob’s decisions are so frustrating (Findley’s consistent playing time, Clark over Edu in the Ghana game, Bornstein and Kljestan getting a million chances). I agree with the criticism of Gulati and I wonder the same thing–who elects that guy? Let him stick to the business side and get someone else in here to pick the coaching staff.

  23. Wm. says:

    The poll above links to a question about who was best dressed at the Emmys. (I voted for Maria Menounos because…uh…you know…she’s hot.)

    Back to the subject at hand–long time observers would have to say we’ve come a long way with the US Soccer side. We topped our group over favorites England and made it to the round of 16.

    In 1994 there was a sense of accomplishment when we got to the last 16. In 2010 there was disappointment when we got to the last 16.

  24. Wm. says:

    By coming a long way, I mean in the reaction to reaching the round of 16. 1994=jubilation. 2010=disappointment.

    The fans expect more, and that means our potential is increasing.

  25. Or, more likely, is that money had absolutely nothing to do with it.

  26. usceducator@msn.com says:

    Ives….I have lost tons of respect for you.

    Is the way the media works is that you are so scared of losing access to the national team that you will blow smoke up anyone’s butt to gain it.

    How can you be such a coward.

    I will not go into the countless reasons that Bradley is a terrible coach but I’ll give you one play: and the fact that you cannot see it says something about you as a commentator on the national team.

    Goal by Boateng (Ghana). Clark not ready for game time (no game face) results in bad pass, central D does not come out and foul Boateng outside of the box ( do you think J Terry would ever let him by him, and that is wrestling, and wrestling CAN be coached), and finally Howard cheating to his left to give up the near post. THREE mistakes in a row, and the coach is clueless.

    One goal, then the USA has to chase and that is exhausting. Listen carefully, that is not saying we should win the world cup, win every game, play like Messi, that is saying THOSE TYPE OF SIMPLE STUPID MISTAKES SHOULD NOT HAPPEN WITH A GOOD COACH on a WELL COACHED TEAM. Just because FANS are willing to point out honest mistakes DOES not mean we expect to WIN the WORLD CUP.

    And your bashing of Klinnsman is a joke….yeah Obama too should not have been elected president BECAUSE there has never been a black president. Until somebody does it, it has not been done, and that kind of backwards logic gets us all stuck in the mud.

    Naive Dude….Klinnsman brought the Germans into the best playing soccer in Africa almost losing his job for taking Loew as his assistant…and he was fired from Munich AND then Munich went out and spent a lot of money and won. Where do you think Munich would have been without Roben last year, that Klinnsman did not have.

    Cheap article.

  27. Andy in Chicago says:

    In 3 out of 4 games in the World Cup, we conceded the first goal, AND within the first 15 minutes each time.

    That, to me, tells you something about how he prepares his players.

    I’m not all that impressed with Gold Cup wins… we SHOULD be winning just about every game in CONCACAF. It’s when we’re playing teams outside of North America that I want to see us win more consistently, and that doesn’t really happen right now.

    I want someone who will select the right players for the job. You can argue this all you want, but I’m pretty sure 95% of us on here knew that starting Ricardo Clark vs Ghana was a BAD IDEA, and we were shown to be correct in our assessment.

    I don’t know why Bob can’t see things as easily as that.

    Maybe he should go sit with his buddy Fergie when USA is not playing and take his advice and hopefully learn a thing or two from a great, great manager.

  28. rlwang says:

    I don’t really like Bradley, but he can only coach the talent given to him. I think his selection of players is questionable. My problem is with the leadership at the top. Gulati isn’t capable of making a timely decision. All Gulati has done in his tenure is piss of the South American confederation by sending a C team to Copa America, lost quality dual citizen talent, and failed to implement a good development system. Get rid of Gulati and the US soccer will have a chance to improve.

  29. montana matt says:

    +1

  30. Rob J says:

    Ives,

    Read your article on FoxSports and I think you are right to acknowledge that Bradley has had success, made mistakes, and needs to continue to improve. I have been frustrated with Bradley since he was hired, but I do respect him for what he’s done the last four years. It was not an easy job at all.

    That being said, I believe the team triumphed in spite of Bob Bradley. Donovan’s last minute goal against Algeria probably secured Bradley’s right to retain his job. Otherwise we would not be having this discussion now. Essentially basing Bradley’s return on a 90+ minute goal in the final round of group play in the World Cup. Unacceptable. In regards to our greatest success, the 2009 Confederations Cup, Bradley’s line-up changes were virtually forced on him due to injuries. In particular Ching vs. Davies! If Ching wasn’t injured, does Davies play those valuable minutes in the tournament? That tournament and the final qualifying games launch Davies into strong consideration as a World Cup starter. Prior to the Confederation Cup, Davies is largely ignored by Bradley before Ching’s injury.

    Would Klinsmann do a better job than Bradley? Maybe. Maybe not. I think he would bring a different perspective to the game. Regardless of the coach, I think our talent gets us to the World Cup. I am actually more disappointed that Klinsmann and Bradley were the only options considered. There has to be more options out there, but like Klinsmann, I believe a quality coach from outside the USA would be hesitant to come here because of USSF and Sunil Gulati.

    While my support of the USMNT will never waver, I can’t help but believe that this was the wrong decision. I know my disappoint in Bradley being retained will fade, but I know I will be facing the same agonizing fears of coaching ineptitude over the next four years.

  31. A Guest says:

    Yeah, no, that’s pretty severly unlikely.

  32. Josh D says:

    But he hasn’t done anything no prior coach has done. Yes he won all the North American tournaments but its expected that we get to the finals of those.

    Yes he brought us to the final against Brazil but that was after the worse start to a tournament we’ve had in decades and due to the imploding of other teams. Spain I’ll give to hard work and determination, but his tactics were exposed again against Brazil.

    In the World Cup we can top of our group in what was to be, arguably, one of the weaker groups in the tournament. Then he plays Clark who he subs 20 minutes into the game after being responsible for a goal, after everyone else knew Edu should of started.

    He’s done well but with the players we have developing now, we can finally play a possessive game and not rely on the boot it up field and hope we get a hold of it tactics Bob has always used.

    Soccer is almost mainstream here and it was time we went higher profile. I’m gutted by this decision. Let’s look back some of the most recent 8 year tenured coaches: the last US coach, Bruce, completely bombed his second 4 years and we won’t mention a certain French coach who almost started another French Revolution.

    An international coach must be good at two major parts: Tactics/Organization and Player Selection/Substitution, which I feel are Bradley’s two weakest points. The team was in disarray almost every game during the World Cup, hence the 3 out of 4 times getting scored on in the opening minutes. And his substitutions speak for themselves.

    It’s about building on top of the successes and this is just a step sideways at a time when we have the media’s attention, quality players, and momentum.

    Clark, Bornstein, and Findley sleep well tonight. Torres and Feilhaber wish they had chosen another country…

  33. Atletico UC says:

    I’m quite upset by the turn of events. Once more the USSF has settled for mediocrity. Very , very discouraging. Sunil Gulati needs to shown the door. Unfortunately for those of us that invest our emotion and passion with the National Team, that’s not happening. I truly hope I’m wrong, but sorry, I don’t see us progressing this next cycle.

  34. Josh D says:

    Money is everything in US sports. I’d believe it.

  35. fan4usa says:

    Agreed!

    Gulati has made another poor decision. He had a chance to right a wrong by bringing in someone who has ‘been there done that’.

    Bob’s only ‘been there done that’ is making poor decisions such as bringing Clark into a critical game vs. Ghana that led to a major error – and cost the US’s best chance to make it deep into World Cup. The list of tactical errors and player selection continues….

    We need good decision makers, and it starts at the top.

    What can be done to change Gulati??

  36. ElHierro says:

    Why would Gulati and the USSF re-sign Bradley now?? Why not sign him the end of his contract? It tells me only one thing, they never had any intention to hire anyone else. Re-signing Bradley now because they were afraid he would go to Europe when there were no real offers for a job over there? No. It’s because they absolutely never had any intention of letting him go. The USSF is a mafia and a way for those on the inside to makes lots and lots of money with ZERO accountability for failure. Once again, there is no goal, no direction, no vision to what the USSF does and this decision has committed the US to utter mediocrity for the foreseeable future.
    Those of you celebrating should keep this in mind: You haven’t won ANYTHING. A Gold Cup you say? Yeah, in a tournament slanted in your favor in every way and on your home soil. Are you really prepared to continue with mediocrity for another 4 years?
    I am not.

  37. alf says:

    Terrible decision. I think Bob failed big time in the last 3 months of this cycle – all of his shortcomings as a coach came back to haunt us. Plus, it was definitely time for a change.

  38. Wm. says:

    So if someone has an opinion different from yours on this topic it means he’s sucking up so he keeps his press pass? How would you know that’s his motive? What an accusation!

    Is it possible that an intelligent observer could come up with an opinion different from yours?

  39. Josh D says:

    Our talent matches the collective talent of Uruguay, Japan, and Ghana – all teams that progressed past us.

    Our players start in the top leagues around the World. Can we please get away from the “our players suck, we overachieved” nonsense. It’s simply not true anymore.

    We are missing a world class talent, i.e. Forlan, who can grab the game when the tiding gets tough but we’ll have that with Jones.

    We’re also missing a World Class coach who knows how to win against bigger opponents. What’s Bradley’s record against teams in the top 20? We’re ranked in the low teens now, so that’s the group we can compete in. Doubt it’s worthy.

    At this stage, with the players we have, it’s a chess game against managers and we were found lacking.

  40. GW says:

    “The biggest problem is player development, Many African countries can identify and develop far better than we can at present. ”

    And that has gotten them what exactly?

    Cameroon once got to the quarter finals.

    The US once got to the quarter finals

    So with all that superiority in player talent Africa, with their superior players, has accomplished just as much as we have with our mediocre players.

  41. TimN says:

    Well Ives, say what you will about all of Bradley’s successes, but the same arguments and points were made regarding the re-hire of Arena, a much more popular coach, back in 2002. Arena was similar in that he had taken the MNT to heights never before achieved. However, what we saw happen with Arena is again a possibility with Bradley, namely:

    1. Stagnation in tactics

    2. Stagnation in line-up choices, mainly going with “favorite” players

    3. Dwindling ability to motivate players tired of hearing the “same old”

    No, the U.S. doesn’t have the talent pool that other European and South American powers have, so hiring somebody like Klinsmann or Hiddink doesn’t necessarily guarantee success. However, I think at this juncture the MNT would benefit from some infusion of new ideas, which may allow it to BUILD on some of Bradley’s successes that you point out. Only time will tell if this was a good decision, but right now I’m not a believer…

  42. smokedgouda says:

    Ives, you completely missed the mark here.

    We won the group in this world cup by the skin of our teeth and with a ton of luck. It wasn’t by great tactics and a winning attitude. We were EXPECTED to do well in this group because it was, by far, the EASIEST group we’ve ever been in.

    The Confederations Cup is another one we nearly bombed out and only made it further by a ton of luck.

    Bob Bradley is a GOOD coach. But the persona he and the team now embody is BLOWN OPPORTUNITIES. How many more years will we put up with going down 1-nil in the first 5 minutes of play? How many more years will we put up with fielding players who aren’t ready?

    You’re too close to the power to question it.

  43. Adam M. says:

    The remarkable consistency with which we gave up goals early in a half. The lineup mistakes that were immediately obvious when made and later resulted in actual problems. The inability to recognize or field our strongest side. The almost freakish loyalty to mistake prone players, and the injuries that made decisions for him that he should have already made. The marriage to a 4-2 offensive formation with tow central holding mids except in desparation. The inability to hold a lead. The inability to win with a lead in Mexico. The fact that we advanced from our group in the World Cup because (i) England’s goalie made a historically awful blunder, and (ii) we needed late second half goals against arguably the two weakest opponenets in the tournament. The unlikely way we advanced in the Confed Cup. In my view, Bradley has been incredibly lucky in the last two years and is incredibly lucky to keep his job. A better manager would have beaten Ghana, won in Mexico, and required less desparation to get us out of our groups in the Confed Cup and World Cup.

  44. Josh D says:

    I think he’s mad at Ives for his FSC article where he says such drama statements as “Yes, the coach who helped his team win a World Cup group nobody gave the United States a chance of winning” when the fans and media, including himself, said we have a chance of winning it. Especially after the first game when England imploded and “gave Switzerland the game plan it used to knock off the eventual World Cup champions in the World Cup opener” – another drama statement, crediting Bob Bradley with other team’s successes and whose tactic to beat Spain has been used by countless other teams and failed – it’s nothing new.

    Finally statements like “The thing is Bradley never did fail” make it look as though he’s Ives best friend. I think getting smashed by Mexico in the final two years ago is failing. I think 3/4 games in the World Cup you get scored on in the first 20 minutes is failing. And “steered by Joachim Loew, Klinsmann’s former assistant and the man many believe was the real tactician of the two” – which isn’t journalism but tabloid rumors which deters from the facts.

  45. GW says:

    “Our players start in the top leagues around the World. Can we please get away from the “our players suck, we overachieved” nonsense. It’s simply not true anymore.”

    Of course it’s true.

    It’s all about the teams we need to beat, Brazil, Holland, Spain, Germany, etc. Go down their World Cup rosters and do a man for man comparison. We don’t have one guy, not a single one, who plays regularly for a Champions league contender. Our competitors have lots of players who do. So when it comes to the “soccer savvy” that Donovan says our players are missing (which can make the difference)our guys are at a very distinct disadvantage. The manager can’t make up for that.

    “We are missing a world class talent, i.e. Forlan, who can grab the game when the tiding gets tough but we’ll have that with Jones.”

    And Jones was where during this last World Cup?

    Jones would have and will make an enormous difference but he is not a consistent threat to score, unlike Forlan who is.

    Jones will make the US harder to beat but Forlan made Uruguay a threat to beat anyone. Very big difference.

  46. GW says:

    “He only has 2 playing styles, ”

    Spain has only one.

  47. Rob says:

    Look at the top teams in the world… How many Americans play on them vs how many Africans from either Ivory Coast, Camaroon, Ghana, etc… Also, how many African nationals switch their country allegiance? A lot more then you would think.

    Pretty easy to see they have talent. The problem with African soccer are the coaches. No body wants the job due to where they will have to live, and the strong government interference.

  48. JoeW says:

    I think that success or failure of Bob Bradley in the next 4 years will be based on how he answers a couple of key questions:

    1. Is he building on the existing team or starting over? BB said something that alarmed me after the WC ended–that he hoped to continue to work with “this group” to build on their successes. I think that’s the wrong mentality. Arena retained a lot of the same core players from 2002 and we showed up in 2006 with a team that was older, slower and more often injured. I think it’s too easy for a NT coach to fall in love with players who perform for you and over-stay their “sell-by” date internationally. If BB is going to be successful this time around, it’s with the assume that there is no “group” he’s building on but instead he’s creating a new NT. And of course he builds on the experience and lessons of 2010 but this isn’t a mindset of we take the 2010 team and just make them better. We need to get younger, faster and more skilled and that happens only with a ruthless approach to the roster. Otherwise we show up in Brasil with an aging backline, a midfield that knows each other but hasn’t really upgraded talent much and a substandard group of strikers.

    2. How much tactical flexibility will he show? The US (in part due to Arena’s influence who has always loved the 442 with attacking outside backs) plays a 442 and Bradley is a big reliant on that. The world (internationally at least) seems to be moving to a 451 or 4231 in various forms and we saw that in South Africa. I don’t know if we have the talent (especially at the “1″ spot) to make it work but it needs to be given an extended tryout.

    3. How will he adjust to the early game tactical breakdowns. The US NT consistently (this includes WC qualifying) gave up early goals. I don’t buy the simplistic and naive explanations about how we weren’t “up” for the games or players didn’t have on their “game face.” I suspect it’s more a case of tactics and scheme. But until this gets addressed, we’re going to struggle at the highest levels.

    4. How much talent growing is he willing to do in the next 2 years? We played a lot of bodies under BB. And I, for one, was not that upset we sent a “B” side to the Copa–you’ve got to vet young guys somewhere and somehow and while the ideal situation is 1-2 new guys in a game (rather than 5-7), you’ve got to find a way to do so. That said, for all the bodies who wore US uniforms in BB’s 4 years, think back to our striker crisis going into the WC–we had almost no options to pick from. It’s not that we had no talent (though we didn’t have a lot). It’s that just a few people got opportunities (I assume with the idea that they’d “grow” into the role). And when some (like Eddie Johnson) just never stepped up, we ended up calling guys like Gomez and Buddle and Findley into camp. I’m not going to argue that Findley was a disaster. My argument here is this–given the number of internationals the US players, it’s just mind-blowing to me that guys like Gomez and Buddle didn’t have at least a cap or two prior to camp in the past 2 years. Part of this is a tendency to assume that if you give guys like EJ or Bernstein or Klejstan caps, they’ll “right their game” or grow into the role. We’re past the stage where Arena has to give Mathis minutes b/c we don’t have enough strikers and he’s not playing elsewhere. I’m not asking for a carousel of bodies into and out of camps. But it’s simply stunning that we’d have so many guys come into camp in BB’s 4 years and yet have so few striker options going into South Africa–not b/c I expect him to develop Messi. But b/c our top 10-12 striker options all should have had a cap or two at minimum (unless someone comes out of nowhere at the last minute–and Findley, Buddle and Gomez don’t qualify in that reqard). Ditto with left back the past 4 years.

    We’re going into a period where probably our entire backline could turnover. And no-one should argue that our striker and midfield corp are basically set. The next 2 years should see a host of new bodies getting caps so that we’ve got more options to rely on come 2013-2014 selections.

  49. Rob says:

    Why watch or even try, our players suck? Let’s be complacent and stay with the status quo. Very tired argument, our players are much better then they get credit for, it’s just our style of play (old mls, and national team) doesn’t show off the skill, rather it shows off the system. Bunker down and prey.

    Just to proove my point, how does the team look when down a goal and we need to win?

  50. ElHierro says:

    I agree that it’s certainly another 3-and-out in 2014 if we even make it to the WC. But, does anyone think it’s safe to assume the US will even qualify?? What if the US ends up as the third place team in CONCACF and has to go into the playoff with the fourth place team which I consider a very real possibility? I don’t see any magic trick to save it from elimination since it’s been notoriously poor during make-or-break matches.
    And this signing does absolutely nothing to change that. More of the same boring, cookie cutter, bland, lifeless, visionless, strategy-less, non-tactical garbage.
    Other than that, it looks pretty good.

  51. -1. Complete failure. You VASTLY overestimate JK.

  52. GW says:

    Then you change the players which is going to happen anyway.

    I don’t buy this staleness business with Arena’s two tenure. What I do buy is that the US has never had great depth in their history.

    The group that did well in 2002 were either past their best,or injured by 2006. The next generation simply was not as talented or as good. I don’t see where Arena is to blame for that. He had less to work with in Germany than he did in Korea.

    As for Bradley, there is reason to think the players now coming up in the next few years will be better than the 2010 edition.

    It’s always about the players.

  53. Rocco says:

    I can magically see into the future: four years of crying and moaning about how Bradley should be fired and x,y,z player should never see the field.

  54. AC says:

    I’m in the Bradley can do the job, but he NEEDS to get better. Hopefully he’ll learn from his mistakes and although it’s nice to have loyalty to players (aka Clark, Findley, etc), he needs to go with who is in form. And capping players is one thing, but actually having them play is another. Yes, he capped many players, but how many actually took to the field in the games that mattered? We still saw Clark and Findley. You don’t cap just for the sake of capping. Hopefully we’ll have new blood brought in so this team does not become complacent. I hope to see more of the younger, hungry players mixed with the reliable veterans. Hopefully players like Holden will have the chance to play more. Maybe, just maybe, even Castillo can be given more chances. And for gosh sakes, can they find at least a hint of more possession! Also, Spector needs to be taken away from the fullback position. His crosses are good, but he struggles way too much with quicker players, which is almost everyone. He needs to be moved to the centerback position more…. Well, good luck Bradley!!…I hope round 2 gets even better!!

  55. Andy says:

    While I have no problems with Bob being re-hired, what desire I have for Klnsmann comes not from a belief that he will get better results than Bob; even with Germany, that’s not his strength. What he did do in Germany was help drive a ground-up revamping of the Germany youth/academy system that begun to show results in this summer’s World Cup. To me, an appointment of Klinsmann isn’t positive so much because of team results, but that US Soccer is willing to get behind someone who would make sweeping changes to soccer development in this nation.

  56. Rob says:

    And Spain won the world cup, who cares about a con feds cup win that the team who dominated all categories except score, lost. I’m not saying it wasn’t an impressive win, but bunkering down and counter attacking is not a relaible form of football. Look at what happened when Brazil woke up, down 2-0 then they win 3-2.

  57. GW says:

    “THREE mistakes in a row, and the coach is clueless.”

    The players made those mistakes. How is it the coaches fault?

    Bradley did not teach Howard how to play goalkeeper. Howard learned from someone else that you protect your near post; clearly, Howard failed miserably to do that on Boateng’s straightforward (if somehwat screened ) shot. It was a simple save to make. Howard just blew it. If he stands ( and he had time to see the entire play develop since Clark lost the ball at the halfway line) just a few inches more to his right, he makes that save. Positional and concentration error. Everyone makes them. How that is Brdley’s fault is beyond me. Bradley thensubs out Clark and , the US made themselves lots of opportunities to win the game in the second half. That they did not tells you mostly about their inability to score.

    Bradley could have put them in a better position to win by not starting Clark but the fact remains he fixed that and after Donovan’s penalty,they were, in fact, in a position to win. They didn’t but I blame the players for not taking their chances.

  58. dantheblue says:

    I’m not exactly sure yet about how what I’m about to suggest plays out in footie but if you look at the major sports in the United States, the MAJORITY of the championship caliber teams and organizations have longevity of coaches in their lineage.

    So, here’ to hoping that BB has learned a thing or two along the way the past couple months about trusting instincts vs evidence on the pitch and uses his longevity to really put quality on the pitch for the good ol’ US of A…

    Think positive fellow Ives’ readers and trust.

  59. CG says:

    “…its expected that we get to the finals of those”

    Who’s responsible for that expectation? Milotunovic? Sampson? Arena played his part. You must be young, Josh.

    Clark, Bornstien… Sleep well tonight?

    Laughable. Clark was a non-injury sub after 20 minutes in his last game, and Bradley tried everyone under the sun, including midfielders, at left back before bringing Bornstien back on. You think he was just resting Bornstien? Feilhaber wishes he had chosen a different country? No, Feilhaber wishes he never sees another Ram for the rest of his life.

    I was hoping for a change, but only because I think change is good. Let’s not get carried away with Bradley. I think DEAC did a nice job, so I’ll stop here.

  60. ElHierro says:

    Well, I guess everyone might as well forget about Klinsmann ever taking over as head coach, that ship has sailed and ain’t coming back.
    The question now is who does the USSF hire to replace Bradley once it becomes crystal clear to their bottom line (income) that Bradley’s shortcomings and mounting failures are jeopardizing qualification?

  61. Cucamonga King says:

    Not close….

    The coaching was so bad….not just a little bad….that when someone advocates for it to continue….the only answer is they don’t really understand or know that much about soccer….many people don’t.

    Obviously a Jose Mourhino knows more about soccer than 99.9% of the population, and if someone told him WOW, Bob Bradley is a decent coach, he would crap his pants AND tell you the multiple styles he would use to beat him to death with tactics.

    Now there are only TWO possibilities…Ives does not understand tactics….or he has some motivation to lie about certain opinions. You decide which is the case….I argue it is the latter, he is kissing the national teams butt to gain continued access.

  62. jb says:

    Youre a little delusional about our player pool. I love our players, but we have only 3 or 4 regular starters in the big four leagues. Only M. Bradley seems to be critical for his teams success. We have 0 players involved in consistant CL matches. We have a big “0″ strikers seeing time in any of the big leagues, much less scoring. We were absolutely a team of overachievers. The midfield seems solid heading into the future but the defense is a huge question mark and I won’t even remark on the sad situation at forward – in short there is no one, at this point not even a hope.

  63. Josh D says:

    Mate you’re missing out on my point. We didn’t need to play either of those big teams to progress in the WC further than we did.

    I’m not saying we need to win the WC, just that we can compete with those teams who made it further than us (one of which knocked us out).

    Our players are good enough to beat any team on a given, lucky day – see against Spain. The same with the club teams. You see the likes of United being beaten by crap teams (Leeds last year) inspite of the fact that the team has players 3 division below them.

    It comes down to organization, tactics, and player choice – all of which fall squarely on Bradley’s shoulders. Something he’s failed at.

  64. Nathanael Greene says:

    Me too. I don’t want our program to get stale.

  65. Erik says:

    This statement has to do with Sunil how? Anyone who plays the game of “soccer” knows you don’t put Findley or Clark into that game vs Ghana. As the top executive in US soccer, you know the coach is to blame for that and therefore took months to renew the contract when nobody else was interested in working for you.

    Like I said, I like Bob but this is a bad decision and a fresh face would have been nice. He was an interim coach for how long? He didn’t get renewed after the World Cup immediately why?

    You haven’t seen a lucid takedown of Bradley yet? What planet are you on?

  66. Josh D says:

    Again, stop comparing us to the Brazilians and Spanish. Look at other quality teams who progressed – Japan, Ghana, Uruguay, etc. All their players don’t play for United or Real, but as a collective unit they were organized and worked as a team.

    I’m not advocating that we win the WC any time soon, but I’ll be d-mned to think we couldn’t of done better when looking at the opponents we had with a better manager.

  67. A.S. says:

    As I’ve reflected on the World Cup over the past few months, I’ve increasingly come to the conclusion that the US performance must be judged a failure.

    The US’s group was by *far* the easiest group of the tournament. England was vastly overrated, as we saw when they were utterly destroyed in the Round of 16, and the US only got a point out of that game as a result of Green’s howler. Slovenia and Algeria were relative minnows that a non-failing team would have, and should have, beaaten relatively easily. It was a failure for the US to require a gut-wrentching comeback against Slovenia merely to tie, and to require a stoppage time winner against Algeria. At least one, if not both of those games, should have been put away early and merely required the US to defend a lead.

    If the World Cup is judged a failure, as I think it should, why would Bradley merit another 4 years. As far as I can tell, there is only one reason – the Spain game, which was unquestionably the US’s best performance in years. But I think that entirely too much weight is being placed on that one game, which very well may be a fluke. A coach needs to be judged by the entire body of work, not a single game. And the Confederations Cup, other than the Spain game, was not overly impressive (getting a first half lead against Brazil in the final was impressive; however, collapsing in the second half detracts from that accomplishment signficantly).

    I was also underwhelmed by the US team’s performance in World Cup qualifying. Qualifying out of CONCACAF should not require desperation second half comebacks on our own soil.

    Finally, I was underwhelmed by Bradley’s tactics. He finally realizes that the 4-2-3-1 exists in August against Brazil, even though it is the dominant style of world soccer now, and Bradley’s preferred 4-4-2 forces the use of 2 strikers when the US does not have any top level strikers at the moment.

    All in all, I would have preferred a change. I am not a particular fan of Klinsmann, and perhaps he is not the right choice. But a thorough consideration of Bradley’s tenure as coach surely indicates that someone else would be a better choice.

  68. Erik says:

    Winning our group at the World Cup was a joke in that England didn’t show up.

    Going 2-3 at the Confed Cup is laughable because you lost 3 games. Brazil won 5 games and won the tourney. The USA won 2 games and came in 2nd place.

    Go away you sycophants.

  69. Creige says:

    Bob is a good coach and there were so many unknowns going into the WC that he had to deal with. My concern about a foreign or new coach is qualifying for the WC finals. Just dealing with the vagaries of CONCACAF referees, playing surfaces, etc. is something you have to learn… BB trained under Bruce Arena, any new coach should have to train und Bob.

  70. Mat says:

    I think this is a mistake and that this will cause the USA to stagnate.
    To start, I am not an anti-BB; I actually think he has done a pretty good job during his time in charge.
    My problem with his extension is that in international soccer, history strongly suggests that coaches in charge for several cycles tend to experience failures in the second cycle.
    Once a cycle is complete, we need new vision and direction, international competition is very different from club competition and long term continuity isn’t always a good thing.
    I’m afraid BB take 2 will be a lot like Bruce Arena take 2.

  71. Cucamonga King says:

    Dude….I am giving you JUST one play…There are countless more

    Your failure to see what effect coaches have on teams is naive….I rather have Phil Jackson coach my NBA team, rather have Whitie Herzog coach my baseball team, rather have Arsene Wenger coach my soccer team, WHY DO PEOPLE PAY millions for those guys, because they impart a vision-style-attitude-approach-mental discipline, etc.

    How does a Phil Jackson get all star stuff out of a Derek Fisher, because the coach brings it out of 2nd rounder AND gets him to play BETTER THAN HIS LOT. Quit blaming the players.

    YOU SEE that there are great coaches, but fail to see HOW a bad coach plays a part in ALL three of those mistakes. The American soccer coaching style is to say it is not my fault, look at the players I got.

    That is crap….The players are solid enough and getting better….

    There were countless errors and I have seen club teams age nine play with more tactical awareness.

  72. Erik says:

    Don’t forget Mexico will win the Gold Cup as well.

  73. EA says:

    “But he hasn’t done anything no prior coach has done. Yes he won all the North American tournaments but its expected that we get to the finals of those.”

    Go ahead and get your crayons out. Make a list of ALL the coaches who lead the team to first in qualifying:

    1. Bruce Arena
    2. Bob Bradley
    3.

    Now, list ALL the coaches who’ve coached a WC group winner:

    1. Bob Bradley
    2.

    Now, you can make a list of ALL the US coaches who have earned us a FIFA tournament trophy:

    1. Bob Bradley
    2.

    Yes, we’ve made it to the round of 16 before. In 1994, we got in as a 3rd place team. WOW. In 2002, we were graced by some highly suspect officiating that got South Korea through as well. Then we beat Mexico on neutral soil. WOW. That’s it. Those were our “accomplishments” as a soccer nation until the most recent cycle.

    I wish I lived in the imaginary world where the US is one of the truly elite soccer powers, where we’re expected to dominate every team, win every tournament.

    Here on earth, we’re pretty good on our best days.

    And that’s a whole hell of a lot better than it used to be.

  74. AC says:

    Ives, do you think Bradley may be more involved with the youth team setup such as Klinsmann did in Germany? I’m not saying he has to replicate and be just like Klinsmann, but we know the youth program of the national team needs an overhaul. Hopefully, some continuity can happen from the youth program to the senior portion.

  75. JP says:

    In my opinion, ANY national team coach, REGARDLESS of the outcome, MUST LEAVE after their 4 year cycle.

  76. Paul says:

    Klinsmann almost single handily destroyed a club (Bayern), and his ego would have unraveled all the USSF has steadily achieved thus far. Wise choice not to go that route.

    People are quick to judge National Team Coaches but everyone seems to forget that this is about player management & tactics. You can only deal with what player pool you have. Our country is working on that infrastructure, and we will start seeing an improved talent pool in years to come when our academies begin to produce.

    With that said, all the errors you mention above revolves around player quality. Let’s face it our defense is poor, our center backs are reckless (Gooch and Demerit), Los Boca is getting a little long in the tooth (slow), and our outside backs are immature and still learning. What is the major qualities that are needed in a back 4: consistency, experience and understanding how to play with each other (ask any great coach/manager). Bob was faced with a serious challenge, because his parts were broken, and he needed to cable tie and duct tape the car to keep it running.

    My overall point is, Bob has done a good job with player management, he has taken some chances and elevated some players (sometimes because there were no other options). Tactically he used the strengths of the squad, which are team speed, fitness and athleticism (also a mental hunger to be accepted in a higher echelon of global respect).

    All the haters here are probably the same people that bought a house in 2007 hoping to flip it.

    Bob will have a bigger target on his back this time around, let’s give him a chance t prove it. I think he has risen to each challenge thus far, he is still getting better as a coach, and as he is provided better tools (players), hopefully this continues.

    I think the major hurdle for him will be the Gold Cup next summer, if he doesn’t win that (and earn the USA a place in the 2013 Confed Cup), then I can see us looking for an international upgrade. People need to understand that timing is everything, and until USSF finds the guy to be the next guy, then you have to keep hoping your current guy can keep elevated your program.

  77. Mig22 says:

    End of.

    Well said.

  78. Judging Amy says:

    Great post. I like the Bradley re-signing yet have all the concerns you cite.

  79. Mat says:

    +1 Exactly.

  80. EA says:

    JK: “If you want me to coach the US, I want 8 brazilion dollars, and complete control.”

    USSF: “What exactly are you doing for work right now?”

    *crickets*

    USSF: “Tell us about your last coaching position. It seemed that your tenure ended awfully early there.”

    *crickets*

    USSF: “Do you have anything else to add?”

    *crickets*

  81. Cucamonga King says:

    HUGE MISTAKE.
    American soccer just got set back 10 years AND ives does not have a clue about what he is talking about. After trashing Bradley here I will never be back to this post.

  82. DEAC says:

    Well, Bradley played the game of “soccer,” and he put them in.
    Many of us disagreed with those decisions, and they ultimately were quite punitive. But many of the decisions for which Bradley has been derided have produced successful results.
    I saw Bill Cowher excoriated for years for failing to get the Pittsburgh Steelers a Super Bowl even though he got them to the AFC title game five times in 11 years before he finally won it. Mike Krzyzewski was getting taken apart in recent years for failing to get Duke past the Sweet 16, and then he won it.
    The bottom line is simple: results. What are Bradley’s results? Answer: the best any US soccer coach has produced. I’m not saying that’s reason enough for him to stay. I’m saying if anybody has a good reason why he shouldn’t, I haven’t seen it.

  83. Sean says:

    Ghana was probably the youngest team at the world cup, and their squad was made up of the previous youth world cup champions. I’d say that they are a better team, besides, they didn’t struggle to get through in their group, or have to play from behind on multiple occasions, meaning that they were fresher than we were.

    We could not finish throughout the cup, and that is why we were knocked out. We did not score enough goals. The chances were created, and we squandered them. Not BB fault to say they least.

    He had some questionable decisions, I don’t think anyone will dispute that, but I can also see why he made the changes that he did. He gambled and it didn’t pay off, so we shouldn’t fault him for that.

  84. HoboMike says:

    Phenomenal. + (infinity)

  85. DEAC says:

    This is a far cry from “Findley and Clark shouldn’t have started.”
    Congrats. At least you got me thinking.

  86. Steve W. says:

    I’m disappointed that Bob isn’t coaching in Europe where you would think he would improve.

    Klinsmann would have been a poor choice. (Why isn’t he coaching anywhere else?)

  87. DEAC says:

    This is the new cry of the blogosophere.
    If you don’t detonate the status quo, fight the power, it’s only because you don’t want to “lose access.”
    It could just be that Ives actually knows more than you, and that could be in part because he’s had access to what’s actually going on in the locker room, not just a fan’s living room.

  88. Ben says:

    I voted that I think he can do the job but needs to get better. Also, I’m not all about Jurgen; I think Loew is responsible for more of the success, especially from a tactical standpoint. The whole big name foreign coach has no attraction for me either. However, I do think there are other quality coaches out there, in the US and South America, forget Europe, who could have been given an opportunity, or at the very least, considered. Still, there will be signs that Bob has learned. For instance, Rico Clark should not be in a US jersey ever again. The central mid is one spot we actually have depth, so please, no more Rico.

  89. HoboMike says:

    You say the players are “solid enough, but are getting better” in the same paragraph that you say you’d love to have Phil Jackson coach your NBA team. I believe it makes a coaching job much easier when you have STAR PLAYERS…such as Jordan, Shaq, and Kobe, no? For Jackson’s championships, he’s had the consensus #1 player in the league, followed by another in the top 10.

    Show me the USMNT’s equivalent of Kobe and I’ll give your argument more than the quick glance it deserves.

  90. HoboMike says:

    Why can’t we have more intelligent posts like these than the rants and raves of lunatics? Step back, look at the big picture, and ask the questions that JoeW did. If we don’t have answers, then it’s an issue. Until then, we don’t know.

    Well done.

  91. Cucamonga King says:

    Dude your are so wrong I do not know where to begin…

    But when you are wrong like you are, there really is no sense in teaching BECAUSE you can’t see it….no matter what is presented in front of you.

    First, timing has nothing to do with it. You line of coaches years before the spot is open, not on August 31st. This spot should have been secured last summer when Hidnik was available.

    LET ME POINT OUT a fallacy in your thinking to prove you don’t know what you are talking about….

    Like ALL people with low standards you blame the players….I am positive Phil Jackson says when he hears he has a second round point guard as a starter, I’ll just blame him if we don’t win. OR HE TURNS HIM INTO Derek Fisher, who is clutch, and won championships by himself hitting unbelievable shots. Your job as coach is to GET MORE from what you got, not blame the player afterwards.

    Why you don’t have a clue…..You say THREE errors that all belong to the players, dead wrong! Tackling someone outside the box to prevent a walk in goal is so fundamental it can be taught to a kangaroo….the coach says….if a player is running at you one on one I want him fouled and put on the ground before he gets in the box AND if you don’t YOU will not play for me. Suddenly and magically the player learns how to do this.
    Give that to our central D when Boateng runs at them AND they do not score and we make the next group stage. JUST one minor error, under the coaches jurisdiction, but not demanded by the coaches. You can’t blame Bradley because he doesn’t not even understand what I just said.

    That is how you coach, that is how you get better than what you have, that is how good coaches prevent simple mistakes.

    Basic Dude.

  92. HoboMike says:

    I’ll remember this when you’re saying something stupid in 6 months on this very site.

  93. BSU SC says:

    Forget Klinsmann. I think it’s a mistake that neither Dom Kinnear or Sigi Schmidt were given an opportunity to interview for the job. They’ve definitely earned a shot and at a minimum deserved consideration. Nothing against Bob Bradley, I just see him being Bruce Arena part II and making our national team program stale for the next four years. Hopefully I’m wrong.

  94. Mark F says:

    I’d like to take a “lucid” crack at Bradley. His tactics are self-defeatist and therefore we end up losing or tying games we should win. Bradley is a defense first and counter-attacking coach. I think we can all agree that is how he prepares his teams to play. There is nothing wrong with that on the surface. Unfortunately, he has gone too far in that direction causing our teams to come out way too hunkered down, many times against inferior teams that end up scoring early in games and causing us to have to chase. Even the best counter-attacking teams try to maintain possession at the beginning. We don’t and this is Bradley’s responsibility to prepare our players to play composed out of the gate despite our strategy of counter attacking. It’s like we’re willing to concede possession right out of the gate and that leads to early goals. Let’s look at the latest results under Bradley…
    World Cup
    Ghana scores in the 5th minute
    Slovenia scores in the 13th minute
    England scores in the 5th minute
    Confed Cup
    Brazil scores in the 7th minute
    WC Qualifying
    Honduras scores in the 5th minute
    Costa Rica scores in the 2nd and 13th minutes
    El Salvador scores in the 15th minute

    These results speak for themselves…our strategy SUCKS!

  95. Aden says:

    Fire Gulati.

  96. Erik says:

    DEAC,

    I liked your well reasoned arguments but comparing soccer to the NFL is the wrong track. In the NFL, you have your players day in and day out. As a National Team soccer coach, you get limited time to work with them.

    The Ghana game itself is a reason for Bradley not to stay. Back it up further and calling Robbie Findley in over Ching is a reason for him not to stay. He struck gold with Charlie Davies but to think Findley deserved any part of that World Cup because he was fast like him shows a lack of tactical knowledge on his part.

    Bradley has done just about as much or less than any other National Team coach we’ve had. I worry about all of the massive decisions he is going to have to make and the fact that people on this blog knew what players should play in a game over him scares the crud out of me.

    Side note – obviously we don’t know the ins and outs of camps, etc so we are all experts and it’s easy for us to be. That said, I have a feeling he is gone after the Gold Cup and the mistakes continue to pile up.

  97. Mig22 says:

    Damn, now we have to endure four more years of that coach’s son too. If we had a real coach then Mikey would never play again.

    (I don’t think I’ve heard that one yet in this thread, figured I’d save somebody the trouble).

    Go Bob! I wanted a new coach just for the change factor but he’s a good coach and I have no complaints

  98. Erik says:

    I agree – to play a great counter attacking game you have to have players who can counter. Donovan is one of those players and it’s brilliant to watch a great counter.

    However, we are not Holland… We are not Inter with a stout backline to handle the pressure and counter.

  99. Felix says:

    I’m very leary of international coaches that are retained for two WC cycles.

    I was never a Bradley hater, I felt he received entirely too much criticism and did better than the haters would ever give him credit for, but I’m still not a fan of retaining him.

    I feel we’ll fall into the cycle of countless other international squads who retain older players past their time of effectiveness.

    I hope I’m wrong and he gives younger players chances when they deserve them (not just because they are the flavor of the month), but we’ve seen it too many times not to wonder if it’ll be true with Bob Sr. as well.

    As for his tactics and player selections, we can find instances when they failed, as for any coach, but I think he received too much criticism here and that sometimes we forget how limited our player pool really is at times.

  100. Rory says:

    Well if we’re going to get serious about youth developement then I would have liked Klinsman to do for us what he did for Germany’s youth developement. But I don’t think USSF was willing to give up their power to let someone else save US Soccer so we’ll just go on hoping Addidas’ cash is all we need to develope youngsters.

  101. jb says:

    Agree with the idea that you dont need a team of superstars to have success at the world cup. But you need at least one or two to make a deep run. As for Ghana, I’m not sure they weren’t the better team against us. It was a pretty even matchup. Did I throw up in my mouth when I saw Clark and Findley in the starting IX – sure. But still, we created chances and didnt finish. They had 2 chances and converted both. Our team weaknesses eventually did us in and they are directly related to (lack of) international level talent – specifically a shaky defense and complete lack of a scoring threat from the striker position.

  102. Mark says:

    I don’t think there was a better option, so I’m happy with the decision. I have concerns, but I certainly don’t think it’s going to be a disaster. He’s a very smart guy and I think he’ll make the changes necessary for the team to remain successful.

    I think some folks need to understand that our player pool only has so much talent, and his success or failure will be largely reliant on that. Mexico recently introduced a great crop of young talent, and if we’re able to produce something similar, then it’s going to be a fun 4 years. If not, we’re in for struggles regardless or who coaches the team, as we’re definitely in a transition period.

  103. Mat says:

    This is Bruce Arena deja vu all over again

  104. Josh D says:

    I never once said dominate, I said that most of Bradley’s praises come from winning things others before him have – and you seem to ignore all the CONCACAF tournaments people point to when they say Bradley should stay. It’s not about matching the past, it’s about improving and Bradley has pushed this team as far as he can get us, but we need new blood in order to accomplish the next level.

    All those before him had it a lot harder than he did. This team has the potential to do and be better than it has been.

    Bradley is not the type of coach to get the best out of the players he has.

    And it’s not asking people to stare up at the heavens and hope God comes down with a mystical players to expect us to do as well as those teams batting around us. And as highly ranked on the international list, we should be competing with better and better teams.

  105. Dennis says:

    I think Ives got it right and Gulati did what needed to be done (albeit a bit more slowly than he should have.)

    Bob Bradley has been a success by any measure save the fantasies of some armchair coach wannabes surfing the internet.

    There is simply no coach who is better and would take the job. Pick your favorite replacement and ask yourself if he would take the job. (The few we know of that were approached declined.)

    As Sir Alex said “I like Bob, I like his approach, I think he has a steely determination about him and he’s got a lot of detail in his coaching,” Ferguson said of Bradley. “I think he did a fantastic job [at the World Cup] and I am surprised the USA have not sprinted to his house and given him a new contract, I must say that.”

    I have never heard a player speak ill of Bob (ok, maybe a couple parents of youth players did not agree with Bob’s assessments when he was coaching youth teams, but the players did not have anything bad to say.) In contrast, I know of some players who really did not like Arena and remember Sampson?

    Only down side is that it will delay my being able to say “told ya so” when Bob eventually steps down and his successor fails to replicate Bob’s success.

  106. Mat says:

    Yeah well we said the same about re-signing Bruce Arena after his 1/4 final run, and look what happened. France said the same after re-signing Domenech after the WC final and look what happened.
    I like BB, he’s done a good job, but national teams need new coaches for each cycle else they tend to stagnate.

  107. Dennis says:

    So it’s change for change’s sake then?

    Never mind that there is no better or even equal candidate available.

    I’m glad you are not my boss!

  108. Paul says:

    I think Bradley will be fine, if (as any coach must) he progresses and develops. But I think the choice Ives sets up in his piece — Bradley or Klinsmann — is a false one. I had more doubts about Klinsmann than about Bradley. But we will never know, or at least won’t know for the next few years, what an experienced foreign coach could do with this squad.

  109. jpc says:

    I think attempting two cycles as an international coach is one of if not the hardest things to do in coaching… I’m thinking of the programs that have recently done it w/ good coaches to disastrous results, France and Italy in particular… I think Bradley was a fantastic coach when you look at his entire body of work, and anyone who points to one or two decisions as to why he is bad is just fooling themselves. But w/ that said i thought they should’ve found someone else. Bradly could’ve always been brought back in the future

  110. steveo says:

    I bet it was more like:

    JK: “If you want me to coach,I would like MLS games not to interfere with international FIFA fixtures”

    *Crickets*

    JK: “Also, I would like to have input on selection of the U-20 and U-23 coaches, as it is crucial to implement the same system throughout the organization. This way we can identify the players who are USMNT material earlier and not try to fit square pegs into round holes”

    *Crickets*

    JK:”What exactly is your hold up over hiring me? My 3rd place finish at WC 2006? My familiarity with the American game and willingness to establish a residence here?my World Cup title as a player? Decades of top-level playing experience?”

    *crickets*

  111. CG says:

    Erik, disagreeing with your tired (and, by the way, unfounded) assertions doesn’t make me a sycophant.

    Prove to me that England didn’t show up this summer, and I might listen. Prove to me that we had no business losing to Brazil and Italy in the Confederations Cup and I might listen. Give me SOME evidence and I might reconsider my alleged self-promoting ways.

  112. Dan Spurgin says:

    Bradley’s biggest problem is that his teams fall behind. His teams did it consistently throughout qualifying and then the prob kind of got hyped during world cup. But its been a chronic prob for his teams. Yes he beat Spain in confed cup but that same team looked absolutely terrible in its group matches against Brazil and Italy. Anyone remember a trip to Costa Rica in final round of qualifying that we got taken apart?

    I do think this isn’t the strongest talent squad we’ve ever had so he’s done well to meet expectations (you could argue that this really is a step up for US soccer). Still like to see his teams not go down early to lesser opponents.

  113. Mat says:

    Yes change is good at the international level. You need new ideas and vision for a new cycle. International soccer is not club soccer.
    There are plenty of coaches out there that could have been decent candidates.
    Again, just remember the whole Arena fiasco in his second run. We’re doing the same mistakes all over again.

  114. Mark says:

    While I disagree with you opinion, at least you provide some sound reasoning why you think Bradley was the wrong choice.

    Certainly better than 90% of the nay-sayers who are already predicting failure at the 2014 World Cup without knowing what teams with which we’ll be grouped.

  115. bottlcaps says:

    I think that basically the USSF just got real lazy and were afraid to venture out in the world to find a replacement. The thinking is probably this: ” Suni, we’ll leave it up to you!” So Mr. Gulati took the easy way out, the “safe” option, not to gamble, and went with a given.

    To many of the USMNT fans, including a lot on this board, this was a cop-out.

    But to the USSF, which is basking in the glory of unprecedented media coverage, this was a play-safe option. Most of the general public and newbie soccer fans think BB must have done a good job, to finish group A as the leader. And those not knowing the past history of USMNT soccer, this must be good.

    And remember, the USSF set the bar real low; “get out of the group stage” was the mantra. So winning the group was more than expected, therefore the WC was a success.

    In short, the USSF has taken the mentality that a lot of U.S. corporations have been blasted for.

    Like many CEO’s that have bounced around from company to company, even despite abysmal records in their job performance, they keep getting hired for the top jobs because they are the “safe” option. Many of the CEO’s have tight bonds with the various Board of Directors and get by using the “old boy” system.

    And, as many US corporations has sunk down due to mediocrity and poor management, needing favorable govt treatment and bailouts to survive, so therein may lie the path of the USMNT.

    Until the USSF BOD wakes up and smells the coffee, until they take a chance to go out and make a commitment to find the best personnel for the job, including taking a chance on the unknown, the US will have to keep setting the bar low and accept the fact that just getting out of/winning the group stage is good enough.

    But to many, including many on this board, “Good enough” just isn’t good enough!

  116. Dan Spurgin says:

    Yes… the whole premise of the article can be called into question because, yes, Klinsmann is a hot name BUT we certainly could have considered other names too.

  117. CG says:

    “Bradley has done just about as much or less than any other National Team coach we’ve had.”

    Sweet Jesus. I wish I could take back my response to your other post. I’m sinking fast.

  118. Fireball says:

    No, no, no on JK. I want a well-coached team too, and therefore pass on Klinsmann. He was given the room to buy Bayern and the only idea he had (or clout to get) was Donovan. He lost games in the Bundesliga because he was outcoached, not because he lacked talent.

    The only good move he made was hiring Low. Hey, you know what? I’ll tolerate Klinsmann if we get Low too. Meanwhile, I can tolerate Bob just fine.

  119. Nova99 says:

    USSF: “Tell us about your last coaching position. It seemed that your tenure ended awfully early there.”

    Third place at the WC and tied for the top spot in the Bundesliga is bad…?

  120. ElHierro says:

    Brilliant. Negative Infinity to EA and HoboMike who have it bass-ackwards.

  121. BenH says:

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  122. Jeffe says:

    Ives – the design of your poll has 3 degrees of acceptance and 1 degree of extreme dislike – makes it hard to gauge real reaction. For example, what does “it could have been worse,” have to do with anything? It can always be worse. And, I think it’s a mistake – do I think it’s a huge mistake? well… I guess so.

  123. Dan Spurgin says:

    Yup. He HAS had excellent performances. BUT, he’s also had some under performances. The worst in my eyes is the chronic prob throughout qualifying of going down early to lesser opponents.

    I’m okay with him being coach but he NEEDS to fix that 1 prob or he’s dead meat. You go down to the Honduras’ of the world at home too often, eventually you don’t come back to win those games and THAT is how you fail to qualify for the WC.

    PS. As a country we need to realize that we’ve maxed out the physical fitness edge and the team concept edge and we need to start teaching our young players how to “play” with a soccer ball — there just isn’t enough ball skill being developed for us to expect to go further than qualifying for the WC. This, not Bradley, is the real glass ceiling of US soccer.

  124. Fireball says:

    Dude, Ives is a journalist and has done nothing tabloid-y.

    “steered by Joachim Loew, Klinsmann’s former assistant and the man many believe was the real tactician of the two.” Dude, that’s a fact. Many people do believe that.

    The Swiss coach himself is on the record that he borrowed from Bob.

    Of course Ives trying to be dramatic. He’s writing an opinion column, which is legitimate journalism. He’s arguing his opinion from facts, not just simply telling lies as if they are facts, which is what tabloids do. There’s a difference.

  125. Rob says:

    Please explain how he had all the room to buy at BM when the owner cut his spending ( a reason he got Donovan). Also what was hhis record, I believe it was a winning one… He was in second place in a great league. You need to stop spewing the anti klinsmann stuff, without facts to back it up.

    Klinsmann had a year, to coach the team while tring to change the dymaics of the team. One year is nothing, and look at what his players did the next year after, they won the league.

    The man turned a poor Germany side around who were horrible two years before in the Euros, to a third place finish european champions Portugal. What a horrid coach.

  126. Nova99 says:

    We have to finish fourth for that scenario… I would group that as unlikely at this moment barring some major injury issues and severe coach-player feuds…

  127. bryan says:

    honestly, i’m with Josh. I like Bob, but I don’t think he can take the team to the next level. He needs to go to Europe and coach and improve his game, just like players. Also, I don’t really like the way the USMNT plays in a lot of games. We’ll eek out a win, but it’s sloppy and has no fluidity. I’m not saying we’re going to be Brasil, but I expect a little stronger showing against a lot of the teams we beat, but barely beat.

  128. Eurosnob says:

    EA, when measuring Bradley’s achievements against his predecessors, you should also account for the fact that the talent level of the US soccer has improved significantly since 1990s. No prior USMNT had as many players that play professionally in the top English, German, Italian and French leagues. Winning the WC group is a nice achievement, but my enthusiams is tempered by the fact that they won arguably the weakest group in the tournament (England, Slovenia and Algeria) and lost in the first round of elimanation stage to a lower ranked team. What if the draw was not as kind? What if this team ended up in the same group with Brazil, Portugal and Ivory Coast or with Germany, Serbia and Ghana or Spain, Chile and Switzerland? Would we still be singing praises to BB for winning the group? Should we overlook the fact that the USMNT had less possession than such “powerhouses” as Slovenia and Algeria? Should we overlook the fact that he selected wrong formations against Slovenia, Algeria and Ghana, which put the team at a numerical disadvantage against these teams at the midfield? Playing 4-4-2 is one of the worst formations against 3-5-2 or 4-5-1, but Bradley kept playing it until the team was down a goal or two and he had to make adjustments. Should we overlook the fact that Bradley’s preferred formation was 4-4-2, despite the lack of viable options at the striker position? Aside from Altidore, none of the strikers did much to help the team.

  129. BenH says:

    Bornstein is giddy!

  130. Rob says:

    Sorry meant to say beating Euro champions Portugal

  131. SD says:

    I am not a bradley fan but I don’t hate him either….i just wish that if the USSF was going to keep him they could have made the decision sooner, if only to take advantage of this open fifa window to have some sort of camp for the euro young guys who nevr get released by their clubs….all in all i’m not sure if i would have preferred klinsmann….there are coaches better than klinsmann, they just aren’t available now…well, the only one who comes to mind is pellegrini, but would he have been interested………….

  132. Dennis says:

    You really do like Bradley don’t you?

  133. DEAC says:

    If you think that article was down the middle, you failed reading comprehension.
    Ives quite clearly is supporting Bradley’s rehiring.
    The facts are that the US achieved more in Bradley’s four years collectively than at any point in its history.
    The hysteria on this board about his failures suggests that if we had another coach, we’d have handled Brazil and Italy in the Confed Cup, stormed through the World Cup as clear group winners and blown Ghana’s really terrific team out of the stadium.
    Because that’s really the only alternative to what was actually achieved.
    Most of the haters are so over-the-top with their criticism they’re forgetting that there really wasn’t a whole lot the US left undone in the past four years, and that those who did those things (Brazil, Holland, Spain) actually have better infrastructure and support to achieve success.

  134. tim says:

    Thanks for that Ives. You set up a straw man argument, and then knock it down. Top class.

  135. TheyShotWallace! says:

    Ives, the issue I have with your column is that it is overlysimplistic. You lump all bradley critics or those disappointed with the decision together and then get darn close to setting up a straw man and proceed to then tear that down. There are many disappointed with the decision for myriad reasons other than that Bradley is not Klinsmann. And yet your pretty poor column takes a Bushian, Manichaen “with us or against us” sort of view, ignoring all the vast swaths of territory in between Bradley sucks and Candidate X is a savior. I, for one, grew in my respect for Bob over the course of the cycle. I think that, while not a perfect coach (rather a good solid coach) he also grew as a manager in ways. Still, for many reasons that have been expressed by myself and others elsewhere, I think a fresh set of eyes (be they klinsmann’s eyes, Kinnear’s eyes, Steve Nicols eyes or whomever) would have been beneficial. Also, I would’ve liked to have seen Bob try to coach overseas somewhere (whether Villa or even a job in a lesser league or with a lesser club), adding further to the collective US Soccer coaching CV. (Showing that not only can our players make it, so, too, can our coaches).

    Lastly, I would’ve liked for the USMNT collective fandom to have been able to truly appreciate and enjoy Michael Bradley as a player, free and clear from the nepotism argument. I want to be clear, here, that I am not suggesting that there is a nepotism issue, just that the mere appearance clouds/informs many folks views and I think that in some ways it is unfair to Michael, a darned good player.

  136. DEAC says:

    Has anybody given any thought to what Bradley had to overcome to produce the results he did?
    His best defender blows out his knee, misses his entire club season and is a shell of himself who must be benched.
    His most established forward misses curfew, is involved in a car accident, misses his entire club season and has to be left off the roster.
    The defensive midfielder who looks like an ideal addition to the team misses his entire club season with a broken leg and has to be left off the roster.
    That’s 3 guys who would have started, no doubt — out of 12 games they could have played, they contributed one start.
    The U.S. started an England second division player who is out of contract and a French first division left back in central defense for three games. And what were the alternatives? Not a single player who starts in central defense in one of the world’s top leagues. Not one. And that’s the group Bradley used to top England, with USCeducator’s beloved John Terry — who, by the way, failed to tackle Thomas Muller outside the box in the same way the U.S. defenders failed vs. Ghana.

  137. Nova99 says:

    I agree with Josh, if you look at Uruguay, there isnt a single player who plays for a CL contender. They do have Suarez and Forlan who are two fabulous players but a lot of credit goes to the Mid and Def for their deep run. Their players are picked from various smaller leagues and mid table clubs across Europe and SA, its the organization thats sometimes the key. Even Ghana, a lot of young players but very organized by their Serbian coach.

  138. EA says:

    “Third place at the WC and tied for the top spot in the Bundesliga is bad…?”

    Except for the part where he got FIRED from Munich.

  139. Klaus says:

    I can live with Bob Bradley being retained. I’m not overjoyed with it, but I don’t think it’s the end of progress by the men’s national team either. Bob Bradley is going to do a far better job than I would on my best day. Aside from my dissatisfaction with a number of his decisions, my ire is much more focused on Sunil Gulati and the complete cluster in the way this process was handled. I’m not sure why it took so long to settle for the status quo. Even if Klinsman or whichever big name foreign innovator were given the job, I’m uncertain whether they could truly spread their wings under the current leadership of U.S. Soccer. It’s my hope that the continued development of our youth players around the country and across the globe eventually triumphs over the pedantic nature of USSC. Bob’s the man for now, so I’m going to pull for Bob to succeed despite himself.

  140. ElHierro says:

    Top finishers of each of the 2 final qualifying groups take 1st and 2nd places in CONCACAF slots. The 2 second place teams in each group play in a play-off game for the third FIFA allocated CONCACAF slot. The loser of that game plays against a CONMEBOL team for the last FIFA slot.
    The US is not suited to play-off games. I see it all ending in tears.

  141. A.S. says:

    Thanks!

  142. A.S. says:

    I’ve been one of the Michael Bradley detractors over the years, although I’m happy to admit that Bradley’s play this year has surpassed my prior assessment of his play. But let me ask you a question:

    If Bob Bradley is playing with two central midfielders, and Bradley, Jones, and Edu are all in form, should Michael Bradley be considered an *automatic* starter?

    It’s my contention that an in form Edu is at least as good as Michael Bradley, and an in form Jones may be better than them both (although I haven’t seen enough to know for sure). Hence, Michael Bradley may, in fact, be the third best central midfielder on the squad, making his starting position open to debate going forward (obviously that was not true for the WC, where he was head and shoulders the best of our available central MFs).

  143. Andy says:

    Statistically speaking, 2nd term coaches do no worse than first year coaches in World Cups.

  144. jig says:

    ghana have many more players playing at much better teams than we do

  145. Thor says:

    This explains why Bradley was at the Chivas – DC United game Sunday. He had to check in on JB :) I think he will be ok as long as he continues to bring in more players. My worse fear is that he is too loyal to the current group.

  146. john says:

    He was All Ivy at Columbia back when the Ivy League was one of the better college conferences.. So he has as much experience as most other Americans of his age

  147. Lost in Space says:

    Personally I thought Bob did a decient job with this team. Am I totally happy….NO. Did he make me want to pull my hair out at times….YES. That all being said I don’t like the idea of coaches having more than 1 cycle. My reason for this is…

    1) Players become complacient

    2) Tactics become predictable

    3) Growth is limited

    I was hoping that someone like Klinsmann, Magath, Hiddink or Hodgson would have become the US coach. Someone with a higher profile and experiance. My reasoning for this is…

    1) New Players (Higher possibility of attracting some of the Duel National Players like M. Hoyos, Fabian Johnson, Daniel Williams, Alex Zahavi, etc…)

    2) Improve the level of play/coaching in the long run

    3) Change the tacktics and prevent us from being so predictable.

    Just my thoughts on the subject

  148. Thor says:

    Just a question or thought? But why is it that some people believe the NT coach should over see the development of US soccer. I believe the coach and Sunil have separate duities much like a football team that has a GM and a coach. I know there some coaches who want to be both, but it is rare that ownership turns over that type of power.

    I like the way youht soccer in the US is headed under Sunil, with the new Adidas contract and the further improvement of the development acadamies, etc..

  149. Erik says:

    He won the Gold Cup, then got thrashed by Mexico in the final 2 years later in what was a complete embarrassment.

    We got to the Confed Cup finals, where our record was 2-3.

    World Cup we got 1 win, 2 draws and a defeat when it mattered.

    Enough of singing his praises already – Arena had 2 wins, 2 losses and a draw in a World Cup.

    You can stop trying to prop him up, the numbers speak for themselves.

  150. Erik says:

    And I worked with a guy who won the college cup as a player – he’s in sales now. Your point?

  151. Erik says:

    Can you honestly tell everyone here that England looked good at the World Cup? They looked horrible and typically beat us when they are up for it. Do you think they should have tied us in that first game or that Robert Green didn’t gift us the goal? They looked tired and clueless against Algeria and a bit better against Slovenia – a team nowhere near they calibre.

    I thought we played well against Italy and Brazil at the Confeds up in the final. However, and again if you are being honest, what was the talk at the time about those games?

    We never used our subs properly (something Bob did correct at the World Cup), we had the wrong lineup out there and we didn’t have any tactical plan.

    We should have beat Brazil after going 2 nil up but we folded. We should have maybe tied Italy if we knew what closing down your man looked like.

    The facts are the facts- fans have been riding Bob the entire time he’s been manager. I give him credit for a few things he changed about his coaching decisions during the World Cup – but what if that goal against Algeria doesn’t go in on the last kick of the game? He’s not around and we aren’t having this conversation.

  152. GW says:

    “I agree that it’s certainly another 3-and-out in 2014 if we even make it to the WC.”

    I guess you didn’t watch the World Cup 2010. It wasn’t a three and out by the US.

    We won the group and lost in the final 16.

  153. ERic says:

    Well, I don’t fit in any category. Once again, I get confirmation that I’m weird. I can’t pick anything on the poll on the Fox article, because I have, apparently, an entirely different take than the entire rest of the US soccer fanosphere.

    I didn’t want Bradley because, in general, it doesn’t work well to have the same coach through two WC cycles. I thought we learned that lesson with Arena. I’m not happy to see us do it again. Not in the least. At this point, there are a number of coaches in MLS that are just as good as Bradley.

    I don’t want us going after a foreign coach because (despite most of our players playing in Europe now) I still don’t think a foreign coach would be able to get the best out of us.

    I would rather have seen Sigi or Kinnear.

  154. GW says:

    Rob,

    With our inferior talent and our inferior coaches and with our players playing at a lower level than most African players, ho wis it tha we have manged to do just as much at the World Cup over the years as Africa?

    And given that then how crappy are our coaches really?

  155. john says:

    A question for all of you self styled experts? Do any of you actually make a living at this game? People throw around the words “idiot” and “not qualified” an awful lot for a bunch of neophytes. If you are all so proficient at this craft, why aren’t you plying it at the highest level. Face it, you’re amateurs and are frustrated you don’t know the first thing the intracacies of international soccer. Knowing British terms like “table” and “gutted” doesn’t make you an afficianado, only a poser. Bob Bradley is simply the most successful coach the US has ever known. He has been blessed with some good luck and made some poor decisions, but his results are unassailable. We are a young soccer nation and are still developing as are our coaches. There may have been a better candidate for the job, but all this teeth gnashing and hair pulling is laughable. The USMNT is in the stable hands of a proven coach with an excellent track record. Does he have room for improvement? Of course, he sky’s the limit! After the top 5 teams (Brazil, Germany etc.), there are over 20 who rise and fall for a variety of reasons. We are one of those for the foreseeable future, GET USED TO IT! Look at Spain and Holland, until this summer, NO WC titles between them. Was this due to poor coaching or “broken systems”. Nope, they happened to get outscored by better teams on given days.

  156. JSmiley says:

    The only way the issue of hiring a new coach can be discussed reasonably is to have full information on who else was being considered. The only other name I have ever heard mentioned is Klinsmann, and I’m not so sure he would have done well.

    Some posts that say things like “What could Sir Alex or Mourinho do with this squad?” are ludicrous on their face. There is only a very limited pool of possibilities and from all I can tell, BB is the best available. That’s not to damn by faint praise, BTW.

    Other than Klinsmann, who else was a real possibility? Is there a successful MLS coach who would have jumped ship for the MNT? USMNT can’t just waltz across the globe and anoint anyone they choose.

  157. Erik says:

    Thank you – it’s so obvious that people on this blog arguing against come off as complete morons.

    Take note CG

  158. FireBob says:

    Big shocker here, Ives supports USSF’s decision. Let me guess, had Sunil chosen Klinsmann, Ives would have had a piece lauding him for making such a bold move to improve our team by injecting some foreign flair. Probably already had it written too.

    Obviously, the homer American soccer media was going to applaud USSF. They need to stay on their good side to retain credentials and favor, if they are interested in advancing their careers as reporters. Fine I get that.

    But what I don’t get, in Ives’ Fox story, is if he truly understands why the fans are upset. We aren’t upset because its not Klinsmann, hardly. We’re upset because Bob makes huge mistakes and dropped the ball on moving this team further than Arena did. I’m not going to list them, as it has been done ad nauseum, but to dangle the Confederations Cup 2nd place over our heads like we’re fools for not bowing down before Bradley is ridiculous. Face it, Bob’s team during that tournament was not prepared and got amazingly lucky to even get out of the group, thanks to help from others.

    Ives’ angle is that those who are upset with Bob’s rehiring have ignored all facts and a just naively hoping that he would have been some german. To me this is naive, if not somewhat insulting.

    Nearly 65% of the people, ON THIS SITE, have voted that they didn’t want to see Bradley rehired, and Ives repays their loyal readership by insinuating on Fox that these people are ignorant. Seems like a cheap way to approach an argument, just call the other side ignorant.

    I know its hoping too much to have an American soccer journalist actually provide some objective criticism in their work, for fear of biting the hand that feeds, but do you have to insult everyone who disagrees with you?

  159. GW says:

    “Just to proove my point, how does the team look when down a goal and we need to win? ”

    That proves nothing.

    At the World Cup level it is very hard to come back from a goal down for most teams.

  160. skinn says:

    There is no future improvement to be had under Bradley. Apparently USOC is happy with the mediocrity that is the USMNT.

  161. Erik says:

    Agreed – I said it at the beginning and got flamed.

  162. Jose says:

    I like Bob Bradley, but some of his decisions are questionable (Findley in WC, Rico Clark in WC, Copa America . I was hoping for something new like Klinnsman. What I would like to see is the Bob continue until the next Gold Cup/Copa America (possibly), show good results and then see whether to stick with him or go with Klinnsman. The US Ghana game was to me a microcasm of his coaching ability even before halftime he change some positions which made me think were we as a team/coach ready? Come on how can we lose to Ghana??? To me this team after the group stages was ready for a breakout at the WC. You couldn’t script the path any better and this team had the ability and skills to go much further, and I was hoping something different would be good for this team a new spark.

  163. john says:

    Hmmm, last time I looked, DF have Kobe standing next to him

  164. A.S. says:

    Sadly, I have to agree with some of the commenters that the Fox piece was not one of Ives’s stronger efforts. He picked out the weakest arguments against Bradley and demolished them, while ignoring the stronger arguments against Bradley.

  165. JSmiley says:

    “I don’t want us going after a foreign coach… I would rather have seen Sigi or Kinnear.”

    Sigi: born in Germany

    Kinnear: born in Scotland

  166. Rob says:

    Reread my post, you proove my point

  167. GW says:

    “Our players are good enough to beat any team on a given, lucky day – see against Spain. The same with the club teams. You see the likes of United being beaten by crap teams (Leeds last year) inspite of the fact that the team has players 3 division below them.

    It comes down to organization, tactics, and player choice – all of which fall squarely on Bradley’s shoulders. Something he’s failed at.”

    So??

    What you’re saying is that Bradley has failed to spring upsets. You are acknowledging that Bradley is facing superior opposition and failing to beat them…and then condemming him for failing to beat them.

    This ignores the Spain upset.

    When a team like Leeds beats a team like Man U in a cup competition, it’s an upset. And it’s big news for a reason; because it happens so rarely.

  168. davidaubudavid says:

    Things are only black and white on blogs and in arguments. There is no gray on this board at all.

  169. Rob says:

    It has been the same system for years…. Producing the same type of player, vastly athletic with no real footballling mind/skill. We have more kids in the youth system then almost any country on earth, yet we produce little exceptional talent. That tells me we have a development problem.

  170. Rob says:

    Thanks that made my day…..lol

  171. Illmatic74 says:

    I don’t think he is a poor manager but I think Bradley should have been dropped because I think a team needs a new voice every cycle.

  172. Goalscorer24 says:

    I was hoping it was just a bad dream, but no. Bob better bring in a lot of new players to look at, or this time around we will lose all of our games against Mexico in qualification!

  173. JSmiley says:

    Let’s step back a second and define the USMNT.

    The USMNT is: Tim Howard, Landon Donovan, Clint Dempsey, Michael Bradley, and a supporting cast. Not bad. None of them are going to be fighting for FIFA player of the year, but not bad.

    So what are the real expectations when this is the team you have to work with? When this is the team you have to work with, Bradley’s accomplishments are pretty good. Remember, a national team coach doesn’t do all that much to develop talent. The MNT coach spends at most 2-3 months during the year with the team together. Development has to be done at a player’s club.

    Bradley made mistakes during the WC, but he made some good coaching moves, too. Yes, the gift goal against England tied the score, but in the 2nd half they played toe-to-toe. Had it not been for a phantom call by the Malian ref, the Slovenia game would have been the three points it should have been, largely due to Bradley’s halftime adjustments and the strong team spirit. Then Dempsey had a goal disallowed, which would have made the Algeria win easier. If the Clark start against Ghana was Bradley’s only mistake, that’s a pretty good WC. Not even Spain (losers to Switzerland) can say they were mistake-free.

  174. GW says:

    You’re way wrong about Uruguay.

    After the big two you might make a case for their talent being equivalent to ours.

    Dempsey and Donovan are out big two.

    Forlan and Suarez were Uruguay’s big two.

    Compare their club performance and the Uruguayans are far more accomplished.

    Compare their World Cup performance.

    Suarez had three goals, Forlan five.

    Dempsey had one goal and Donovan three.

    Forlan was the best player in the Tournament. He took that team on his back and gave them whatever they needed. Donovan and/or Dempsey were supposed to do that but could not. Maybe we beat them but I sincerely doubt it.

    As for Ghana, their talent was at least equivalent to ours, if not better. And not only did they have home field advantage, they had home continent advantage. If you don’t think that was important I don’t know what else to tel you.

  175. GW says:

    “I’m not saying it wasn’t an impressive win, but bunkering down and counter attacking is not a relaible form of football. ”

    Have you ever heard of a guy named Jose Mourinho? Fabio Capello? Hellenio Herrera?How about a team called Italy? Or how about Estudiantes de La Plata?

    All of them won a lot of games. Reliably.

  176. Goalscorer24 says:

    Steve W. -

    “Klinsmann would have been a poor choice. (Why isn’t he coaching anywhere else?”

    Because he does not need to. He has plenty of money. He is looking for the right coaching situation.

  177. r.benjamin says:

    This is where I stand as well. Bradley was good at steadying the ship.

    However, he’s not the coach that is going to unlock the puzzle and find the best formation. Start a specific player against a team that makes the game winning difference. And let’s not even talk about his substitution acumen.

    Let’s not forget too that the Gold Cup win (blown offside call against canada) and the Confed Cup (miracle to advance – Davies finally plays, sascha and beasely @ lft back dont) – were dangerously close to being disasters.

    I just think it was time. I can only imagine that Klinsman backed out and that he was the only other viable candidate.

  178. Goalscorer24 says:

    JoeW, totally agree with your post. Bob can’t have any players spots on the team guaranteed, which is my concern around players like Donovan, and Dempsey. I’m not saying he should not play those players, but if they are not performing he needs to make them sit. Klinsmann would have done this. My fear with Bradley is it will be all the good old boys and no serious look at possible change! Thus complacency, and mediocre play. This time around I think Mexico is going to be a handful, as they have all kinds of new players coming into the fold.

  179. Goalscorer24 says:

    +1

  180. JSmiley says:

    Yeah. It should be a walk in the park to get out of a Confed Cup group with Brazil and Italy in it.

    It would have been less desperate at the WC if two clear goals hadn’t been disallowed.

  181. Goalscorer24 says:

    Thank you. Some people get it. The arguments against having Klinsmann as our coach are flat.

  182. Rob says:

    Do you watch football? Capello never played that style, always attacking. Jose mourinho only did it against a vastly superior team in Barca after going up. Italy attacks, they do not bunker… 3-1 against the US I believe. Very laughable that you think they bunker and counter…

  183. Rob says:

    And while talking about Capello maybe a bit of a background check on what teams he managed would do you well.

  184. ThaDeuce says:

    FYI He played hard core soccer at Princeton before becoming coach.

  185. ThaDeuce says:

    someone used the “fact” he didn’t play the game as a reason to trash him.

    I guess the sales guy didn’t have the temperament, patience, or intellect that it takes to be a top notch coach. +1 bradley.

  186. Rob says:

    Difference is I actually think we have decent players, you don’t. Also look at how many US coaches coach abroad….. Hmmm none

    Use the same stick for your argument. (coaches vs players) more players abroad on decent teams in the best leagues in the world….

  187. Chuck says:

    I’m not sure if the comparison has been made before… but does anyone else find that Bob Bradley bares a striking resemblance to Dr. Evil’s cat Mr. Bigglesworth?

    Maybe it’s just me I don’t know… I’ve been holding it in for a long time, but I had to put it out there. Ives could you maybe post up a side by side of the two of them?

  188. ElHierro says:

    Anyone want to bet that the US loses both it’s upcoming friendlies?

  189. moosecat says:

    it matters not who the coach is when USA soccer is broken from the top down. BB, A.K.A. ‘Sweatpants’ is a symptom, not the cause, of the repeated failure of the USMNT

  190. meadowlandmel says:

    that is the best news yet..i am sure your u9 team will keep you busy

  191. ElHierro says:

    Pure luck. US had by far the easiest group to advance from and could only by the hairs on their asses muster a win at the very last second only to mentally fail in a monumental way the very next game against Ghana. That must be what you’re really referring to… Look, it’s not just about “lucking out” wins, it’s about developing a system that builds a powerful team play and makes it enjoyable to watch and support. What they’ve got right now, well lets just say that’s something completely different.
    And yes, if we make it to Brazil 2014 it’ll be ANOTHER 3-and-out, just like all the other times except for this one last anomaly.

  192. meadowlandmel says:

    A.S……you may be absolutely right but when have edu and jone both been available to replace michael bradley

  193. ElHierro says:

    To those who are as disappointed as I am with this decision by Gulati and USSF, I say hit ‘em where it hurts. Boycott games. Don’t buy merchandise. Let your money do the talking because that’s all these jackholes seem to hear.
    Down with the USSF.

  194. Joe says:

    One can debate the merits of Bradley’s accomplishments as U.S.M.N.T. head coach until the cows come home. I’m bored with that and I am also bored with Gulati’s conservativism.

    After reading all 193 comments here, we can all agree that Bradley didn’t exceed or fail to meet our expectations. Dempsey was correct in stating that it would be a failure to not make it in to the second round. However, most of us felt as though the U.S. bowed out to a very beatable Ghana team on a day when Bob Bradley was not at his best.

    Having said all that, my question is this: Why not shoot for the stars and throw some big money at a foreign coach? Build on the momentum created at the Cup and grab some more international headlines with a splashy hire. Who knows, maybe a few more young players with multiple international ties will choose to wear the Red, White and Blue.

    In this case, I’m not upset with hiring Bob Bradley specifically, I’m upset that Gulati made a conservative play when the USSF was in a great position to take a chance.

  195. JoeW says:

    1. The MLS pretty much leans over backwards to help the NT. MLS releases players early. I can think of only one instance (Colorado) where a coach refused to release a NT player for the US. Flip side–MLS coaches have often released US players early and then insisted on holding on to their foreign players (I seem to recall Sigi Schmid did this) until the last possible legal date before releasing them for an international match against the US.
    -JK wanted USSF to guarantee that any players he wanted for both the Gold Cup and the Copa would be available. No Federation in the world makes that guarantee–it’s always a negotiation of sorts. Arena and Bradley faced the same situation with Reyna, O’Brien, Keller, and too many players to mention. So to argue that MLS is just doing it’s own thing and blowing off the NT coach is….uninformed.

    2. But the US National Team DOES have input on U20 and U23 coaches. In fact, one of the criticisms that foreign coaches have had of the US position is that the US NT coach isn’t expected to just coach, he’s expected to be a national team program director who travels around the country advising USSF staff coaches, having input on U17/U20/U23 coaches, coming to Bradenton.

    3. Here’s the holdup on Klinsmann:
    –Gulati pursued him to play in MLS, thought he had him and then JK said “no”
    –pursued him again once he announced he was coming to the US. The romance went on for a while and resulted in JK playing…in an all-star pickup game to benefit the victims of 9-11. That’s it.
    –was pursued again to be NT coach. JK indicated he was interested but needed time to recharge. So Gulati agreed to give him time while other candidates (Pekerman, et. al. ) eventually drifted away. Maybe they’d never have been picked but the decision to delay a couple of months clearly sent the message that “Klinsmann is the favorite, we’ll do what he wants).
    –was then approached again and he turned USSF down.

    Let’s be brutally honest here: it’s not politically viable for us to send nothing but MLS players to the Gold Cup at a time when we’re trying to get support from everyone in our federation to back us in a WC-host bid. Politics yes but that’s the reality. And the Euro players would not have been willing to sacrifice their entire offseason to play in the Gold Cup and the Copa. So you have two options: piss off CONMEBOL and back out of the Copa after we’ve lobbied to be in it. Or send our “B” team to the Copa. B/c sending our “A” to both wasn’t realistic.

  196. Goalscorer24 says:

    Everyone seems to agree that Bradley had no real chance to be the coach for Fulham or Aston Villa. Why is that? Because he is not very good. Those teams see that why, dosen’t the USSF?

  197. EB says:

    All too typical of the hyperbole on these boards. I’m not a fan of Bradley staying, nor do I agree with Ives’ article, but calling him a coward just cuz his opinion ain’t part of the conventional wisdom here is over the top.

  198. Goalscorer24 says:

    “Klinsmanns only idea was to get Donovan.” Oh the player that did really well with Everton, and proved Klinsmanns point that he could be a valuable player at the top level. Also Donovan the same guy that single handedly got the US to the round of 16. Klinsmann is clearly lame.

  199. Brent McD. says:

    Good article Ives. I started out as a Bradley supporter but gradually came to the conclusion that he was not the man to take the USMNT to the next level.

    Having said that, I am NOT a Klinsmann supporter — the guy does not have a proven track record as a quality coach.

    Hiddink is the man we want, but he would have been very difficult to get.

  200. Goalscorer24 says:

    Unless Bob tries to bring and look at lots of new players, we won’t be winning the Gold Cup. But even if he loses the Gold Cup, the USSF will gloss it over.

  201. Goalscorer24 says:

    If Gulati is so into Bradley, why has he courted Klinsmann twice, and why did he wait so long to re-sign him? He wants to have Klinsmann as the US coach, but he is not willing to relinquish any authority because he knows Klinsmann would be a better coach. As for Bradleys FRIEND Alex Ferguson, it is interesting that even with Ferguson’s endorsement for his FRIEND Bob Bradley, none of the English teams jumped at the chance to sign Bradley as their coach. Why is that? You think they know he is not really that good. Yeah they do!

  202. Xander Crews says:

    Ives, I disagree wholeheartedly with your FoxSoccer column – it’s awfully short-sighted to say that the only reason fans are upset is because Bradley’s not Klinnsmann.

    Fans have been pointing out Bradley’s tendency to show favoritism toward players who are lacking for four years. Fans have been pointing toward an endless stretch of games where we conceded an early goal for four years. Fans have been pointing toward his tendency to put players in unfamiliar, incorrect or uncomfortable situations for four years (hi, we’re going to play Paco Torres in the middle to facilitate ball movement, but then have the back four just hoof the ball as far down field as they can).

    Sure, he was the coach who led the US to a win over Spain – one of those “once-a-decade” showings like the US win over Brazil in the Gold Cup where defenders are blocking shots everywhere and a goalkeeper stands on his head and makes brilliant save after brilliant save. The US has better talent than that, as evidenced by going up 2-0 on Brazil in the very next game (only to choke that game away by sitting on the lead in soccer’s version of an NFL-style prevent defense).

    I don’t care if Klinnsmann ever coaches the US team. I just wish that for once the powers that be in USSF looked outside the box and implemented a plan that allows continuity of style from the youngest levels up through the national team. I want a coach who has more tactical awareness than the average fan (which Bradley has proven he does not possess). I want a coach who fits his lineup choices and tactics to the personnel at hand, rather than the other way around.

    For US Soccer to say that there is no better candidate than Bradley is an outright lie – all they had to do was actively look for one.

  203. Xander Crews says:

    Wow – could not agree more with you. Outstanding.

  204. Xander Crews says:

    Agreed, Rob. There’s a reason why the vast majority of our best players truly reach their full potential when they move to Europe. The US development and MLS are great for, as you said, creating players who are athletic but lacking in football mindset and skill. The list goes on and on about players who didn’t truly develop until moving abroad, while those who stay too long in MLS stagnate.

  205. EB says:

    I thought your comments were better, without the alledged claims of soccer journalist homerism, but I do agree that I didn’t agree with Ives’ assesment that those of us didn’t want BB back because he’s not Klinsmann.

  206. Goalscorer24 says:

    JSmiley, but what about constantly going down at least one goal to the opposing team in the early moments of the game? It happened with England, Slovenia, and Ghana as well as through out qualification. You can’t keep doing that and expect to win. I think that those of us that are arguing against Bradley are not expecting error free soccer, but when you continue to make the same mistakes over and over again, that is an issue.

  207. Goalscorer24 says:

    Agreed. My dad use to be involved in US Soccer and he said they always made their decisions based on short term financial gain, and not what was best for US soccer. Which ironically if they made their decisions on what was best for US Soccer, they would ultimately make more money then they could imagine.

  208. blink says:

    Sunil Gulati needs to be replaced. What this rehire says is that we are willing to stagnate and suffer mediocrity for the foreseeable future. Honestly the thought of it depresses me. I am going to have a difficult time following the team, KNOWING we will stay mediocre.

    I have nothing against Bob Bradley but it is plain that he has done everything he is capable of and, in terms of future progress, retaining him as the coach is a mistake.

  209. Rob says:

    Honestly who cares they are friendlies. I don’t want bob back, but come on. This goes the same if the US wins both. All we can do is assess performances.

  210. Rob says:

    I agree, but it also got people to read the article. People tend to read/ react to articles they strongly disagree with.

  211. josh says:

    i think they were talking about sunil gulati being the head of Soccer in the US while never having played the game.

  212. josh says:

    its kinda sad. Aston Villa was not stupid enough to hire this guy, but the USSF was.

  213. pancholama says:

    Here, here!

    And raise up your pitchers, to good, Kind Coach Robert!!!

    It is what it is. Live with it.

    When you want start reciting Argentine poetry, with your feet – or swiveling your hips to Brazilian samba and Bossa Nova, when you want to work on your Nahuatl-Atapascan foot dance language – accents, syntax and pronounce- eeeh- ah- iation.

    Yo, all y’all – drop me a line.

    I can help you. I was born and raised in Central Jersey – Princeton. And since I have been a shepheard, since I have been learned – I have travelled the world.

    I can help you. Oye me, oigan me vos. Ecoutez vous – dits mois – comments est’ce que je peut vous aidez?

  214. pancholama says:

    Bradley played at Princeton University. Graduated Class of 1980.

    He then immediately enrolled in a sports administration major and pursued his class A coaching liscence like a barracuda.

    Then he took Princeton to the NCAA final four.

    Then he became the winningest coach in MLS history.

    Meanwhile his son – soccer water-rat that he is – ascended to the Dutch 1st division at age 20 – and led the league in scoring as a defensive midfielder at the age of 20. Now starts for a Bundesliga squad.

    Look – don’t lecture me about the Brazilian Box or, “il Catennacio” – don’t talk to me about what hasn’t been achieved. State goals and objectives – list all the players he has brought into camp – “for a wee dram of wearin’ yer nation’s colours, lad.”

    Follow them – learn their birthdays, their Meyer’s Brigg’s types, their ethnic and cultural backgrounds, their likes and dislikes, their childhood and teen-adolescent traumas.

    Watch their highlight reels, and learn their strengths and weaknesses. Love them like your own flesh and blood. Learn their psychology.

    Learn to love, and nurture, these our boys.

    It is hard, hard work to keep your body fit to play the game. It is even harder to coordinate 24 guys and mold them into a – whale song, Henge-hinge, gothic arches, vaulted ceilings – sacre bleu, eau vif aictant – see all prawn on field wit’ yer eyes closed lad.

    zen mind no mind – technically proficient – confident dancing warriors – all minds become one mind – and recite poetry with the way yah stroke t’ sphere mon.

    Y’all go for a run on the beach until you drop. Then get up and run some more. Then – shave the ignorance grass off o’ yer noggins – then gi’ me a shout.

  215. CJ Brown says:

    Clearly, EPL teams turned their nose up at Bradley. And coaches turn their noses up at having to deal with Superfan Gulati. So they were left with each other.

    Whether Bradley again does an adequate job in this cycle, where we need real change is at the very top, in Soccer House. How do we get rid of this arrogant little Seppy Blatts/Chuck Glazer wannabe?

    It’s the same at DCU. They change coaches now faster than underwear. But at what point do guys like Payne and the Superfan stop passing the buck and feel the consequences of their decisions?

  216. Never First says:

    I haven’t commented on this yet because I have made numerous arguments over the past year that Bradley was just decent and nothing better. No need to rehash those arguments.

    What disturbs me deeply are the comments attributed to Gulati on Soccernet. Gulati didn’t say they were thrilled to have Bradley or that they were so impressed with his vision of the future that they know he’s the man for the job. He basically said the positives outweigh the negatives so Bradley’s the best possible. Basically, no top flight European team would even give him an interview so Gulati decided to keep him here. I know everyone will cry bias because the whole world hates Americans, but the truth it’s just delusion.

    I’m mostly just fed up with the supposed analysts just going with the flow and accepting whatever USSF says. Four more years of nothing to be excited about. Sounds like a great game plan.

  217. Thorpinski says:

    i think the system has changed. The players coming though now are much more skilled then previous group. Guys like LLetget, Gil, and Hyndman are much further in development then anything we have produced so far.

    It takes time and the changes to our youth deveopment are starting to produce real talent.

    The new adiadas contract geared towars youth development is another example..I think the list of improvement is quite remarkable.

  218. Warren says:

    Many of us were calling for elevating Davies long before Egypt, fact is Bradley was saved at Confed cup because his favorite not-prime time (at international level) players conveniently got injured or red carded, clearing the way for Davies to cement his place til the kid acted like a dumb kid.

    Anyway, please, this means nothing changes. Bradley has shown signs of growth but he doesn;t know what he doesn;t know, and never will.

  219. nrorm says:

    Bradley is going to start Eddie Johnson, Lazy Jozy Altidore and play Bocanegra until he’s 35. He’ll probably bring back Ching too.

    great…

    also, wtf?? Who gets to vote for Sunil Gulati? That guy needs to go as well!

  220. gene says:

    I am not happy about keeping Bob Bradley, though I fully realize that it may have been the best of least attractive options.

    I actually think Bradley did a decent job. He got the max out of our squad at the most recent World Cup, we did respectably well at the Confederations Cup. I liked that he was willing to give younger players a chance to play on the team. He looks like an intelligent guy (Princeton grad), which is a never a bad thing for a coach.

    But appointment of Klinsmann may have given US a chance to elevate its level of play into more exciting attacking style. Of course, it was not a sure thing. Klinsmann’s track record as a coach is pretty limited – assuming he is responsible for Germany’s run in 06, his talent level there was infinitely better than what he would have here. He did not last long at Bayern.

    But this was a chance for US Soccer to make a bold move, to risk a little. If Klinsmann worked out, it would have elevated the game profile here even more. And if he tanked, there would have been enougn time to get someone else. I can help, but feel, that they decided to play it safe.

    Of course, it would help to know the details of the interaction between Gulati and Klinsmann. It seems like K. wants the job.

    What also makes it a bad decision is that Bradley would, once again, feel like a second-choice. It seems like he was hoping to go to Aston Villa or some other European club. It also seems like after the World Cup exit, even Gulati wanted to go for a splashier coach. Yet, they are now stuck with each other for 4 more years. Hopefully, US Soccer and Bradley both learned something from Arena’s 2nd world cup cycle.

  221. JW says:

    I read a lot of the comments but not all, so maybe someone else brought this up earlier.

    One thing that interest me is that with Klinsmann, I at least have an idea of what he has planned. If anyone remembers the article he wrote about how he tried to transform the German national team a while ago, it gives us a pretty decent idea of the type of control Klinsmann wanted (that apparently Gulati did not want to give him) to make this transformation.

    When I hear Bradley interviewed, all I ever get is, “we look at those type of things” and “we are in constantly keeping tabs on this or that” (paraphrasing)

    You see, I really don’t know what the hell Bradley wants to do with the National team much less the entire national system. Everything is always conveniently behind closed doors. Obviously the Project 2010 was something. But know what?

  222. Mig22 says:

    Answering your question, A.S., I don’t think anyone is an automatic starter although some are clearly better than anyone else in our pool (LD, CD, TH)

    I don’t think an in-form Edu is better than MB but I’ll even grant the possibility. Jones? Sure, if he’s healthy but I still think he’s a thug. But if we say that every game that counted, an honest assessment needed to be made on who should get the center MF spot, it has been MB every time that I can remember. So theoretically MB could be surpassed but at no time do I think his inclusion on the roster was a bad decision.

    Cheers!

  223. 25 says:

    Everton is not Bayern. Just because Donovan did well there doesn’t mean he would ever have done well at Bayern. It’s more than a matter of talent.

    Donovan did not “single handedly” get the US to the round of 16; if Howard doesn’t give him that very intelligent outlet pass, if Jozy doesn’t make that intelligent run and pass, and if Clint doesn’t draw all that attention, maybe Donovan is not wide open to make that shot.

    It’s a team game.

  224. Denver Omelette says:

    So by “could be worse,” you mean Italy could have scored one against Brazil or Brazil only score 2 and we don’t advance? Getting beat 6-0 to Mexico? not being invited back to Copa America…ever?? Going 94 minutes scoreless against Algeria? Setting the World Cup record for least amount of minutes with a lead and still advancing out of your group with one minute?

    I mean it really could not be much worse.

  225. Ski Fast! says:

    I’m weary of NT coaches getting 8 year tenures, the history of them doesn’t seem all that great. I was hoping for new ideas and new approaches–but that will not happen.

  226. GW says:

    Capello was fired from Real Madrid for not being entertaining enough. No one has ever accused him of lacking a defensive mentality.

    Ask anyone in Europe whether Mourinho is a defense first manager or not.

    Bunker is a made up word that Julie Foudy came up with and doesn’t really mean anything.

    Italy are quite capable of fine attacking football but they play technically solid defense first.

    The 3-1 result against the US came in the Confederations Cup after the US were reduced to 10 men in the 33rd minute and the US were actually leading 1-0 at the half. But Italy eventually wored down the US and scored 2 goals late.

    I actually watched the game unlike you.

    I’ve got news for you, sooner all good teams will as you say “bunker and counter”. Football is a dynamic sport and there are times when you attack and times when you defend and a range of circumstances in between. Study the game a little more before you question the understanding of others.

  227. Goalscorer24 says:

    But you don’t know if Donovan would have suceeded at Bayern or not, the upper management never really gave him the chance. Of course it is a team game, but no Donovan, and it is a pretty good bet the US would not have advanced! He was instrumental with his goal against Slovenia in bringing the team back, and he scored the winner against Algeria!

  228. 25 says:

    Your point was Donovan’s performance at Everton “proved Klinsmanns point that he could be a valuable player at the top level.”

    Not exactly. It proved he could be valuable at Everton.

    Donovan’s talent is unquestioned but it takes more than talent to succeed at a place like Bayern, never mind the fact that Bayern have a much more talent around. Donovan was unlikely to displace Ribery and/or Robben. More to the point, he was unlikely to get the kind if love and support from fans and staff at Everton.

    Goodison sounded like the perfect environment for him.

    Bayern, not so much.

    “‘Of course it is a team game, but no Donovan, and it is a pretty good bet the US would not have advanced!”

    You could just as well say that about Dempsey, about Robert Green, and about Michael Bradley. Without contributions by these individuals, Donovan’s goal would have been meaningless. He did not “single handedly” take the US to the final 16.

  229. GW says:

    “And yes, if we make it to Brazil 2014 it’ll be ANOTHER 3-and-out, just like all the other times except for this one last anomaly.”

    In 2002 the US made it to the quarterfinals so you are wrong again.

  230. GW says:

    I never said said our players weren’t decent. I said Africa produces superior talent at this point.

    “Also look at how many US coaches coach abroad….. Hmmm none”

    That is irrelevant. How many African coaches

    run top flight teams abroad?

    The USMNT has been relying heavily on it’s european based and (european or south american coached) players for a long time. Yet, we still haven’t produced a player who plays regularly for a team who competes regularly in the Champions League.

    The fact remains, both Africa and the US with it’s inferior coaches have one quarterfinal appearance in the World Cup. And don’t forget, we’re one country, while they have had several countries in contention.

  231. GW says:

    Teams that are attack first can also give up the first goal.

  232. GW says:

    “Everyone seems to agree that Bradley had no real chance to be the coach for Fulham or Aston Villa”

    Who is everyone? If that were so why were then bettors taking odds?

    Are you saying that if a guy isn’t suited to manage Aston Villa and Fulham then he shouldn’t be managing the USMNT? That’s apples and oranges.

  233. GW says:

    “Obviously a Jose Mourhino knows more about soccer than 99.9% of the population, and if someone told him WOW, Bob Bradley is a decent coach, he would crap his pants AND tell you the multiple styles he would use to beat him to death with tactics.”

    How do you know what Mourinho would say about Bradley?

    So far every foreign manager who I’ve heard comment on Bradley has had nothing but compliments for him; that list includes SAF, Harry Redknapp, and Jurgen Klinsmann.

  234. Rob says:

    I played the game, grew and loved the game when I lived in Europe. It’s funny you twist the fact to suit your argument, when I mention bunkering down and counter you give examples of coaches, who have played that style in a game or two (not all the time).

    Capello wants a total game. When at Real the second time, he saw ateam that just attacked and didn’t defend, so he built that aspect of an attack heavy Real, making it more rounded. Like the Italian national team a round team that will play possession in both offense and defense will win the game that is the style of most Italian coaches, Not just bunker and counter sorry you are wrong. I watched the game against Italy. Italy dominated the us in possession and shots. Maybe you don’t get the difference in style of play, in bunker and counter that the US is famous for playing, and a defensive ball control style of play, that incorporates attack from possession ( for example watch Milan play this year, very good team that incorporates “ugly” football).

  235. Rob says:

    Yes and while in qualification and confeds cup, the US got a couple counter goals, and ended up loosing…. See brazil and Italy, but when it mattered they attacked all out on Egypt and pretty much killed them 3-0.

  236. Rob says:

    Ghana also made it to the quarters….. First off MLS was mostly American coached when it started, it wasn’t until recently that coaches from abroad came over and started to really turn clubs around. Bruce Areans system, which Bradley uses, simply does not show off any talent that our players may have….. As for Africa having better players, that goes without saying.

    Oh and Edu plays champions league soccer…. For a second year, granted it’s in Scotland with Rangers.

  237. Rob says:

    Qualification, it was more tying..

  238. MikeinAustin says:

    The US has the money, and they need a high end coach to grow. Bradley is oho, but he’s not the coach to bring the US to the promise land. He nee corrected the mental lapses and slow starts the US had that had them concede goals early in the WC games, and that showed his inability to correct big problems.
    He’s good, but there’s much better out there. Too bad USSF has a MADE IN USA mentality.