New York Red Bulls at Kansas City Wizards: Match Night Commentary

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The red-hot Kansas City Wizards are home tonight for a New York Red Bulls squad coming off its first win — and first two goals not as a result of an own goal — of the year.

After losing its first two games of the year, the Wizards have reeled off three consecutive victories and currently sit in fourth place in the Eastern Conference, two points behind leaders Chicago. After scoring a brace in the final 12 minutes to forge a 2-2 draw with the Fire, Josh Wolff is the reigning MLS Player of the Week, while the Red Bulls will be led by the scoring tandem of Juan Pablo Angel and Mac Kandji, who combined for both goals in a 2-0 win against Real Salt Lake Saturday night.

It is Jimmy Conrad bobblehead night at CommunityAmerica Ballpark (insert your joke here). I will be providing commentary of the match throughout the night and, as always, we at SBI encourage reader feedback, as well.

Sit back and enjoy.

FINAL — The game is over and Lopez's penalty kick early in the first half holds up for the Wizards, who are now unbeaten in four straight games. While KC gets the three points, the Wizards didn't do themselves any favors with a predictable vanilla attack. The Red Bulls, meanwhile, showed great effort, but were done in by the second red card of Carlos Johnson's young MLS career.

The Red Bulls will return home Sunday to host Eastern Conference rival D.C. United, while the Wizards head to Toronto to take on TFC on Sunday.

Thanks everyone for checking in and making this another successful live commentary. Hope you enjoyed it, even if the game might have left a lot to be desired for you.

90+1 MINUTE — We're in first of two minutes of stoppage time and Hartman comes up with the game-saving stop, robbing Angel, who got a piece of Mbuta's flick in the box.

90TH MINUTE – Sassano with a deep throw, but couldn't find a teammate. Espinoza, on the other end, blows a chance to kill the game, missing the net badly on a spinning attempt.

89TH MINUTE — Desperation time for the Red Bulls. By the way, apparently some of you do not quite get my sarcasm. I'm aware Johnson will be suspended Sunday against D.C. The Open Cup game is Wednesday against San Jose, btw.

86TH MINUTE — Angel lays off a long ball from Stammler. Ubiparipovic steps up to hit the shot, but it is deflected away.

83RD MINUTE — Angel is visible frustrated with Mbuta, who failed on a give-and-go. Red Bulls with a free kick from distance. Angel and Pacheco are over the ball. Angel takes it and fires well over the net from 30 yards out.

81ST MINUTE – Pacheco with solid defending on Kraus and wins a free kick. Mbuta and Richards shank chances on the other end for the Red Bulls. If this scoreline holds up, you've got to think neither team will be happy with the result. Sure, the Wizards will extend an unbeaten streak to four games, but they weren't dangerous enough with the extra man. And the Red Bulls surely will rue the early red card and the inability to take the game when it was up for grabs.

79TH MINUTE — Espinoza tries to connect with Harrington on an overlapping run, but the ball eludes Harrington and KC again loses possession.

76TH MINUTE — Kansas City is just looking to hold possession and kill the game in the final quarter hour. Gomez comes off for Kraus, while Ubiparipovic is on for Mendes.

74TH MINUTE — Richards with a hopeful run down the flank, but the ball deflects off of him and out. On the other end, Wolff takes a touch and fires a shot into Conway from the edge of the 18.

67TH MINUTE — This game is there for the Red Bulls to at least get an equalizer. Espinoza is on for Besler. Conway makes a big save on a Hohlein attempt.

64TH MINUTE — Richards is fouled at the edge of the box. Pacheco takes the free kick and curls it just over the bar.

59TH MINUTE — Dane Richards comes on to bring some pace off the bench, replacing Kandji for the Red Bulls' second change of the game.

55TH MINUTE — Some miscommunication between Conway and Mendes as the defender plays the ball away with Conway calling for it. Dellacamera suggests perhaps Mendes couldn't hear Conway. Really? I think fans in New Brunswick heard him.

52ND MINUTE — Borman does a good job putting pressure on the ball and he is fouled by the left touchline. Pacheco to take. Angel off a deflection rips a shot into Hartman, who punches the Red Bulls' first shot on goal away.

49TH MINUTE — Mbuta takes a long cross off his chest and does a good job to force a corner. Borman takes it far post, but it deflects out and KC is off on a counter. Harrington pings a ball to the far post, but Wolff isn't able to corral the ball and it goes out for a goal kick.

46TH MINUTE — Second half just started and the Red Bulls make one change — Luke Sassano is on for Rojas.

HALFTIME – So I'm reading some of the comments now that it's halftime and I'm intrigued by the comment made by "Someone who has played soccer." Guess what? You're right, I haven't played soccer. Point for you. But I think I know a thing or three about the sport. I know what a keeper is supposed to do on that play, but you clearly think what he did was good? Did he attempt to dive to one side? Make it difficult for the PK taker? He just fell over like he was drunk. And I do know a thing or two about that, too. 

HALFTIME –  The early penalty kick holds up and the Wizards head into the locker room with a 1-0 lead.

45+1 MINUTE — Gomez with a shot from about 22 yards out, but it's punched away by Conway.

44TH MINUTE — First half is winding down. KC still leads, but the Red Bulls have done well to keep themselves in the game.

36TH MINUTE — After being a bit shellshocked in the early moments after Johnson's red card, the Red Bulls have done a good job of late with possession and getting into the attacking third.

34TH MINUTE — Pacheco takes a free kick from distance and hits a low, hard shot, but it well wide to Hartman's left.

32ND MINUTE — Harrington now comes up for Jewsbury for the game's first substitution. Curt Onolfo gave Jewsbury a chance to clear the cobwebs, but saw something he clearly didn't like and made the move.

29TH MINUTE — Rojas slips a great ball through to Kandji on a counter, but Kandji missed the net badly. Conrad gets booked for a harsh tackle on Rojas at the top of the box.

26TH MINUTE — Pacheco with a deep throw, attempted to give Mbuta his first taste of the ball, but he missed the flick header and Angel fouls in the box.

23RD MINUTE — Gomez shot deflects out for a corner, third for the Wizards. Lopez goes far post where Gomez attempts a diving header, but Conway dives to his left to push the ball away.

22ND MINUTE — Wizards again called for offside. Every venture into the attacking third looks like a dangerous one for KC. Congratulations Carlos Johnson, you've been awarded the earliest red card in Red Bulls history.

20TH MINUTE — Jewsbury is up, but appears groggy. Michael Harrington may come on. Lopez takes the free kick from the right edge of the 18-yard box, but puts it right into Conway's chest.

17TH MINUTE — Mendes with a hard foul on Jewsbury, who remains on the grass. This will be a dangerous scoring chance for the Wizards once Jewsbury is carried off. Mendes lunged forward in an attempt to play the ball, but missed and collided with Jewsbury.

15TH MINUTE — Another wasted corner for KC. Wizards, of course, have the better of possession. Wolff gets off a cross and Conway leaps up to grab it with no target man in sight.

12TH MINUTE — Lopez with a great service from the left, forcing Conway to dive off his line to get a paw on the cross but Wolff is offside on the play.

10TH MINUTE — Rojas dances on the ball at the top of the box, but held on to the ball way too long. Wizards get out on a quick counter, but Conway grabs Gomez's attempted cross to Wolff.

EIGHTH MINUTE — I might be going out on a limb here, but I think Jeremy Hall will find his way back in the starting lineup for the Red Bulls against D.C. on Sunday. First corner goes to KC, but Conway grabs Lopez's attempt. And back to the penalty kick, I might be nitpicking here, but Conway needs to do a little better than just falling to one side.

FIFTH MINUTE — Johnson took a poor touch on the ball and it fell right to Gomez. He desperately tried to lunge back and knock the ball away, but clearly got the man and he is sent off for a second time this season. Pacheco has pushed over to the right and Borman has dropped back to fill the void on the left.

THIRD MINUTE — GOAL KANSAS CITY. Claudio Lopez had no problem pushing the ball past goalkeeper Jon Conway, slotting the ball to his right as Conway guessed left. 1-0 KC.

SECOND MINUTE — Penalty kick for the Wizards and a straight red card issued by referee Michael Kennedy as Herculez Gomez is tripped by Carlos Johnson in the box. That's two red cards for the Costa Rican international and changes the entire course of the game.

PREGAME — We've got lineups for you.

Kansas City Wizards

——————Lopez———-Wolff—————-

Arnaud——————–Hirsig——————Gomez

————————Jewsbury————————

Besler——–Hohlbein———Conrad———Watson

————————–Hartman————————–

Bench: Pardo, Kraus, Thompson, Morsink, Espinoza, McKenzie, Harrington

New York Red Bulls

———————Angel——–Kandji——————

Borman——————–Rojas—————–Mbuta

————————Stammler————————-

Pacheco——Goldthwaite——–Mendes——–Johnson

————————–Conway————————–

BENCH- Cepero, Wolyniec, Sassano, Ubiparipovic, Boyens, Smith, Richards

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124 Responses to New York Red Bulls at Kansas City Wizards: Match Night Commentary

  1. Zach Shevich says:

    Ives, what lineup would you like to see tonight and how realistic do you think it is?

  2. ManicMessiah says:

    I’ll be following along tonight, Dylan.

    I’m really looking forward to seeing Borman and Mbuta on the wings tonight.

  3. I may not like the Red Bulls (Revs rule), but one thing I do like about New York on TV is that I can follow commentaries with the game broadcast.

  4. spencer says:

    Anyone know how long Watson has been playing defense? All i know is that he played midfield in high school and college.

  5. lou says:

    This is going to be a blood bath, richards and khano are finally out. All we need now is Hall and celadas and we would be unstoppable. COME ON YOU BULLS.

  6. Rekro says:

    Red card.!!!!!?????……..wow, bad start for Red Bulls.

  7. ManicMessiah says:

    That’s a red card? and again for johnson? %#!@.

  8. Isaac says:

    Ives let it be known that your commentaries ROCK!!!!!

  9. Andrew says:

    Johnson sees ready already? again?

  10. Poor excuse for a red card.

    But the biggie is…two minutes in? Wow.

  11. ManicMessiah says:

    Clear goal scoring opportunity I guess, but two minutes in and I already don’t feel like watching the rest of the match.

  12. kpugs says:

    Great start boys!

    It was definitely a penalty as well. But Johnson wasn’t the last man. Guess the ref thought the foul was that bad.

    And another lovely thing about soccer, Gomez rolls around like his leg is cut off only to pop up seemingly healthier than before.

    Awful, awful tackle by Johnson.

  13. lou says:

    seriously wtf
    Johnson another red card, i said he was on the ground way to much in that houston game, he is becoming the new even more aggressive pietrovallo. These refs really need to lighten up.

  14. Michael Vann says:

    By definition Johnson was the last man. I feel for the guy. Tough introduction to MLS. Having two reds (in 3 games) in the season may cripple him the rest of the season. He might play timid and second guess himself. I hope not.

  15. Aljarov says:

    Another calamatous refereeing call in an MLS game.

    Sure it was a PK, but absolutely NEVER a red card….not only is it not the done thing (PK is enough punishment) but there was also another defender between him and the goal.

    Shocking, just shocking. Add that to the three terrible calls in last nights game (Blown PK call, and two fouls that WERE red cards that weren’t given out).

    Shocking.

  16. Jason says:

    3-0 USA. McInerney already with a brace in the first half

  17. Blondie says:

    A RED CARD WTF is the referee doing? Penalty fine red cars WTF this leagie needs new referres, and now a good game turns into 85 minutes of fing boredom!

  18. john says:

    not a red. dont get on johnson, this is a bad call.

  19. Blake says:

    Wow, what absolute shocking defense from Johnson. First he got beat bad, but then he got saved by that being a weak through ball. Then he failed to clear, then he made a clear scoring chance-denying tackled and gets tossed. This guy is lousy.

  20. Aljarov says:

    Michal Vann – he wasn’t the last man. #16 (Pacheco) was between Gomez and the goal, if a little to the side, but still near enough he could perhaps intervene/blobk a shot.

  21. Blondie says:

    Is the league watching this referee crap calls lately, i meen come on!

  22. kpugs says:

    Guys, he literally got no ball and both of Gomez’s legs. I agree it shouldn’t have been a red card, but it was a terrible challenge. It doesn’t have to be a violent tackle to be pizz poor.

  23. Ives says:

    Wow, that red card was awful. PK and a yellow, no way that’s a red. Carlos Johnson might go back to Norway at this rate.

  24. Blondie says:

    sry spelling is bad but so are the refs, this makes this game unwatchable now , so much for soccer ratings, thanks ref!

  25. Zach Shevich says:

    This is a three game red card streak for Red Bull right backs…

  26. Saul to Paul says:

    It was the last defender and tackle from behind – denying a goal scoring oppurtunity!!! Thats a red!

  27. Blake says:

    IMO it was an obvious red card, if he hadn’t taken him out he would have scored. That’s denying a clear scoring chance which is a red.

  28. john says:

    totally agree, pk and a yellow.

  29. DC Josh says:

    I get out of the bathroom and I miss a red card and a goal?

    I’m really loving the look Conway has going on with the Red Bulls hat.

    *sigh* I love soccer in full HD…

  30. Rekro says:

    That was CLEARLY a red card…..if anything that was a good call by the referee.

  31. GunneRR says:

    PK yes. Yellow, maybe. Red, NO. Dammit!

  32. mark says:

    Well, I guess I can go to bed early tonight. Jeez.

  33. smorebs says:

    It was not a clear scoring opportunity as another defender had a chance to challenge him before he could settle and shoot. The Ref clearly didn’t see the other defender and the AR did not do his job. I’m pissed at Johnson for the bad decision but, he should not be missing a game for it.

  34. Eugene says:

    Going on a limb Dylan? Johnson got a red, so by definition he’s out next game, and as a result Hall is in. The card absolutely needs to get appealed, but I don’t know how frequently (or infrequently) those appeals are actually successful.

  35. Ives says:

    Guys, Dylan Butler is doing the commentary tonight. He’ll be bringing the heat tonight.

  36. Aljarov says:

    link to i41.photobucket.com

    link to i41.photobucket.com

    There’s some photographic evidence that Pacheco was near enough that this shouldn’t have been a red.

  37. GunneRR says:

    Eugene, Dylan was being snarky. He knows Johnson is out next game.

  38. Northzax says:

    Please guys, a full out leg sweep from a foot behind while last man? That’s the definition of a red.

  39. Eugene says:

    GunneRR, he was implying that Johnson’s poor play will mean Hall coming back. But it’s obvious that Hall will be back.

    I also think that Johnson wasn’t the last man. The tackle was from the side even, not even fully from behind. Honestly, the game is ruined and I think MLS needs to consider if extremely poor calls by the refs are lowering the quality of the game on the field. I think John Carver would agree. It’s really a joke. Am I watching professional soccer or a children’s rec league game?

  40. Isaac says:

    Conway is keeping the Red Bulls in tact.

  41. Aguinaga says:

    Do we not know how to bring the ball down and control it when it comes from the air to our players in defense or midfield, or is our strategy to just f%^#ing keep heading the ball randomly forward until KC regains possession even when there’s NO ONE around them???

  42. Braden says:

    Aljarov and company… The law reads “denies an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick”. That often means “last man”, but is doesn’t have to if there was a clear goal scoring opportunity. In this case, it was pretty obvious.

  43. Eugene says:

    Wow, with Aljarov’s pictures it’s absolutely clear that Johnson wasn’t the last man and Pacheco was near enough and could get in between Gomez and goal.

    ESPN’s coverage is horrible as usual, with the switches to other sports “picture in picture” where the other sport is bigger than the game I tuned in to.

  44. Blake says:

    Even if the red card was debatable, it certainly wasn’t an EGREGIOUS error on the part of the referee. I think it was a pretty clear red, but even if I’m playing devil’s advocate it was arguable – not a clear bad call.

  45. Jacob A. says:

    Okay, seriously you guys, ESPN does those “Sportscenter In Game” things whatever the sport. The others just have more stoppages and timeouts, so they don’t usually go picture in picture. They do a good job of waiting for a dead ball situation (I believe this one was a goal kick), so seriously, just get over it.

  46. Eugene says:

    Braden,

    I think what we’re saying in this case is that it was not an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, especially when Pacheco could have gotten to Gomez had Johnson not tackled him. Regardless, I’ve watched a lot of games and I haven’t seen such bush league calls in other leagues. Only MLS.

  47. Eugene says:

    Jacob,

    That doesn’t change the fact that ESPN has crap soccer coverage. I think UEFA would agree. If the “Sportscenter in Game” thing doesn’t work for soccer, they shouldn’t do it, rather than impose their format on this game. The game is more important than the format, right? We tuned in to see soccer right? Not the picture in picture.

  48. Braden says:

    Eugene,

    You may be right, but as for the Bush League comment I have one name for you… Rob Styles.

  49. Jacob A. says:

    Just to continue my rant, somebody the other day mentioned “Why does ESPN run that ticker on the bottom of soccer games?” Because ESPN2 always has one, ESPN does one twice an hour and always during sportscenter, no matter the programming. They’re not just saying “Hey, maybe if we distract people from soccer with things from the ‘more popular’ sports, others would watch and our ratings and revenues go up.”

    Just enjoy the fact they’re trying, and you’re watching them in hd, something we can’t do with the European games so many have wet dreams over emulating.

    Okay, think that’s it, back to the game, Enjoy.

  50. Jacob A. says:

    Eugene, this is a network that did 20-some odd minutes of pregame and another 10 of postgame for a National Team match, they’re trying. They show the real outstanding highlights on sportscenter regularly, not just in the top 10. They gave up on the NHL in favor of soccer. They show scores on the weekend on the bottom line. If they spend 30 seconds in a picture in picture mode during a 25 second lull in the action (average time for a goal kick or to check on a down player by my guess), you’re not missing much, and I’d hardly call it “imposing”, at least with the negative connotations your usage left.

  51. Jacob A. says:

    And why the hell would UEFA care about what ESPN does during USNT and MLS matches?

  52. Michael K. says:

    “I’ve watched a lot of games and I haven’t seen such bush league calls in other leagues”

    You haven’t watched nearly enough soccer then. What league in the world is without debateable to downright horrible calls?

    That was a comparative creampuff – the red card was more than fair.

  53. David says:

    you’d think KC would be dominating but they aren’t. and can both team stop the long throw in.

  54. Braden says:

    Doesn’t it seem like everyone is doing a long throw these days. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one lead to a goal. It’s just like the short corner.

  55. Scott A says:

    Good to hear Harkes criticize Gomez on that shot. Better than blind cheerleading

  56. someone who has played soccer says:

    “I might be nitpicking here, but Conway needs to do a little better than just falling to one side.”

    This is why people who have never played soccer should not be allowed to write about the sport. Ugh. While your ability to get interesting news is superb, Ives, your knowledge of the technical aspects of soccer are virtually nonexistent.

  57. Jason says:

    USA wins 4-2, goals by McInerney, Lletget, and Gyau. Nigeria Bound baby!

  58. Blake says:

    Someone who has played soccer is NOT someone who has read the comments.

  59. Jacob A. says:

    Braden and David, here’s an example, at the 35 second mark. No, it’s not direct, but it’s also how plenty of corners and fk’s lead to goals.

    link to youtube.com

  60. ETJ says:

    Anyone know how the U-17 team did against canada

  61. Jacob A. says:

    He is also someone who has not read who’s doing the commentary…

  62. Orri (Iceland) says:

    Red card was harsh although Johnson probably deserved a red card for that diabolical first touch that got him in problem in the first place !

  63. Braden says:

    ETJ,

    That was a good one! I had forgotten about that one…

    But that’s how the long throw seduces you. Once in awhile it will produce an outstanding goal and then before you know it you’ve signed a $30 million defender because he played minor league baseball in Texas.

  64. M says:

    USA U-17’s destroyed Canada, 4-2. Game was not as close the scoreline would have it. We qualify for the U-17 World Cup in Nigeria.

  65. Braden says:

    Sorry, last one @Jacob…

  66. Jacob A. says:

    I’m not saying it should be done at all times, but when you have the personell (sp?) and opportunity, it’s okay to let it fly if you ask me.

  67. “This is why people who have never played soccer should not be allowed to write about the sport.”

    Stupid statement. There are many people who can understand the subtle nuances without playing: coaches, referees, anyone capable of learning and watching. Using your example, Peter Gammons of ESPN shouldn’t take about baseball because he never played? That’s just ignorant. The reason the “Con man” was caught falling the other way is that he can’t be taught advanced goalkeeper strategy (distribution, counter attack, defense organization) and never learned how to read PKs.

    He makes big saves, he’s a shot stopper, but no one would confuse him for Keller, Friedel or even Tim Howard, all of whom studied with the best – Doc Machnik or Dan Gaspar. You’d be crazy to pretend that Des (GK coach who worked under Gaspar) isn’t trying, Jon is just not “cerebral”.

    80% of the time he’s not going to make a save on a PK. That’s not his fault, but for a key use of size to intimidate, look at Friedel’s defense of PKs.

  68. kriz says:

    RBNY plays just as well a man down as they do with 11 on the field

  69. aristotle says:

    Interesting. I was waiting for the replay of the red card foul since I missed it in the game. They showed it once very quickly from one angle and there was no debate at all.

    It certainly wasn’t a tackle from behind. I couldn’t see if it was a clear goal scoring opportunity from that replay, but judging by the location of the foul in the penalty area it wouldn’t usually be an obvious goalscoring opportunity unless it was a case of the last man.

  70. gmen04 says:

    good for johnson becoming a mls record holder…a little late but that 1st half performance was encouraging imop,

  71. JoeW says:

    Ives–great work (as usual). But one small point I’ll differ with you on: Johnson is almost guaranteed to start this weekend now against DC United. Here’s why:
    –4 games in 10 days. You’ve got to rest someone. Johnson got his rest this game (played about 10 minutes) and will get his rest in game #3 (against SJ because of the suspension) and quite possibly in game #4 (against LAG).
    –he isn’t suspended against DCU b/c that’s a USOC match.
    –I think you want give Hall a break (so he’s not playing 3 matches 7 days) or at least have the option of playing him at midfield against DCU.

    RBNY is doing very well to go in down only 1 goal. They’ve got the team speed with guys like Kandji and Mbuta to grab an equalizer on a counter. Where I think it’s really bad news is that regardless of how this plays out, the guys who play in this game are going to leave very tired. And that’s a tough way to start a 4 games in 10 days swing (with 3 on the road).

  72. gmen04 says:

    dc game isnt an open game

  73. aristotle says:

    This is a disgraceful game from K.C. They are begging to drop points.

  74. Joamiq says:

    Haha, good response Dylan.

    “someone who has played soccer”, you do realize that lots of people who have played soccer have no idea how to analyze it, right? BTW, this is coming from someone who has player soccer with many other people who have also played soccer.

  75. Eugene says:

    Yawn, waah waah. This game is pretty mediocre, and not just because of the card. Watching Gomez shank balls is pretty sad too. ESPN may be “trying” but this is a competitive business and a competitive market, and their production usually leaves a lot to be desired for soccer, whatever they do with other sports (NHL). I really couldn’t care less about how it fits into their whole programming, as a soccer fan I just want to get the best possible product when I turn on the TV and put my time into watching.

    Seriously, with MLS this year, I really wonder how I’m not better served spending the few hours a week watching soccer in the EPL, La Liga, Serie A or Bundesliga. That’s just me. I know plenty love to watch Argentine, Brazilian or Mexican soccer and those also are a better product than this.

    I’ve been watching MLS because it’s the local product. But when I speak with other soccer fans IN THE US, I find it hard to convince people they should be watching this when so much better soccer is available on TV. Makes me wonder if I should just do what they do and watch the good stuff (with the good calls, the good teams and the good players).

  76. Joamiq says:

    JoeW, as long as that red card holds up, Johnson is guaranteed not to start. He’ll be suspended.

  77. Joamiq says:

    Also, Ives is not doing this commentary

  78. gmen04 says:

    pacheco at least is looking like a good move

  79. Braden says:

    @Eugene

    I’d invite you to do so because your rather pathetic whining about the quality of MLS is tiring. It is what it is. I watch it because I care about U.S. soccer. If you don’t, than good for you.

  80. aristotle says:

    Eugene:

    If everybody felt the way you do, there would never be any start-up leagues ever again. It’s painful but it’s an infant league up against massive competition. If the EPL had started 14 years ago how do you think they would look right now?

  81. gmen04 says:

    only thing that we could remotely compare mls to is the A-league and even that isnt the best that started in 2004. Harkes is never positive is he?

  82. Eugene says:

    Oooh Braden, I’m whining, oooh you’ve got me shaking in my boots now with your tough talk.

    Open your eyes man. I’m calling a spade a spade, this is crap. Even the commentators are disappointed.

    I do care about US soccer; I’m strictly commenting on MLS. It’s debatable how much MLS is helping US soccer when all of our best young players leave the league and most teams replace that talent with cheap internationals, since that’s all they can afford under the frugal salary cap.

    BTW, I think most of the young soccer talent in this country is also watching foreign leagues and looking at world-class, star players as role models, rather than MLS guys. I think most young players in this country would do better watching Chelsea and Man United play (just as examples, not strictly picking those teams) than watching guys in MLS hack their way through the sport.

  83. Braden says:

    There are some thoughts best left unsaid. One of those thoughts is “MLS is not as good as EPL, so why am I watching”. Everyone thinks it, but that doesn’t mean the rest of the world wants to hear it constantly repeated over and over again.

    On an unrelated note, Jon Conway rocks!

  84. Jacob A. says:

    Sure Eugene, this isn’t the most attractive game any of us have ever watched, and sure, plenty of more young players are getting to watch European games, and yes, that is a good thing. But to sit and complain about the production and all is what bothers me most, when at least you’re able to watch it, unlike we can other “fringe” sports in most regions. There’s Lacrosse leagues, we only get the finals of the biggest, and I think that may not be around anymore. Just watch the game and comment on it, just don’t whine about ESPN doing what they do.

  85. Blake says:

    “It’s debatable how much MLS is helping US soccer when all of our best young players leave the league and most teams replace that talent with cheap internationals, since that’s all they can afford under the frugal salary cap.”

    Take our present national team pool and remove all the guys who never developed in MLS. Yep.

  86. gmen04 says:

    ahh dane richards and is awful touch, knew i was watching a rbny game

  87. @aristotle Don’t want to be too much of a jerk, but the EPL was only founded in 1992, so it’s technically 17 years old :P

  88. aristotle says:

    So, it’s agreed. The league sucks and we should all stop watching now.

  89. Joamiq says:

    “Take our present national team pool and remove all the guys who never developed in MLS. Yep.”

    Precisely. There is no doubt that US soccer is much improved today – in just 13 years – thanks to MLS.

  90. aristotle says:

    This game should finish 1-1. K.C. doesn’t deserve to win this game.

  91. ThaDeuce says:

    damn, i’ve got watson as a midfielder in my fantasy league. he is playing in defense!

  92. aristotle says:

    Shawn M. Smith:

    I guess I walked right in to that one!

  93. aristotle says:

    That was an excellent field goal. Right through the middle of the uprights with plenty of height.

  94. Braden says:

    @aristotle

    Agreed. 1-1 is really the fair result.

  95. Haig says:

    Went back and looked– ref blew it on the handball no call after Mbuta was loose in the box. Terrible.

  96. aristotle says:

    I’m not looking to drag the conversation back to the poor quality of the MLS, but I think Arena hit the nail right on the head a few years ago when he said that MLS teams need motivation.

    We have not touched on that. There is more than just a skill difference. If this league was setup like a lot of other leagues around the world with the exact same players, this league would be considerably better. There’s just no real need to win a lot of games until the end of the season.

  97. aristotle says:

    He should be shot for missing that! Twice!

  98. Jacob A. says:

    When the fans behind that goal see Arnaud winding up for a long range strike, do they get excited or duck and cover?

  99. aristotle says:

    All of a sudden they want to score.

  100. gmen04 says:

    Bulls deserved a point, Mean nothing and may not actually help but a very positive performance that should be a building block

  101. Braden says:

    You got to love the fact that Angel looks pissed as hell that he lost the match despite playing most of the game with 10 men. It might be a rough season for the Red Bulls, but if they play with the spirit they showed today it will be worth watching.

  102. Jacob A. says:

    Shoulda been a draw if you ask me, now off to wait on the U-17 game to get posted.

  103. Trex says:

    Well, NY played pretty good, especially the D, they are really coming together. Strong performance considering we were down a man all game. Yes it was a red, but the rest of the game, that ref SUCKED! Unreal.

    Clearly we were the better side tonight, a bit unlucky with the early card and not to get a break at the end there. But there should be no question that we will be on top of KC by the end of the season.

    That was extremely frustrating, but overall the team is making very good strides.

  104. jamin barnes says:

    Midfield play was pretty bad overall. I hope both teams improve in that area, so the game could be more enjoyable to watch.

  105. JoeW says:

    Ives–my bad! Don’t know why I thought the DCU-RBNY match was an Open game–obviously it’s not. So my previous post is off-base. Of course Johnson would be suspended for that match.

  106. gmen04 says:

    Bulls have definitely made positive strides. Goldie is playing well and Pacheco has settled in nicely, now if the right backs could stop getting reds it would be nice.

    Agree with Trex, Kennedy was underwhelming in his calls as usual. Ref development far behind player development here, hope no one is offended by that

  107. OgreDave says:

    I only have 2 words:

    LACKLUSTER PRODUCT

  108. Trex says:

    Yes, Kansas City gave LACKLUSTER PRODUCT. Not NY, most teams would not get that many chances and possession with 10 men.

    That’s why the midfield play looked bad, it was because when you lose a man things get so stretched out. Sassano and Ubi is pretty good I thought after Rojas came out.

    What I would give to see us play a full 90 with the lineup we WANT out there. Not this patchwork, shuffling around stuff. But that’s how it goes.

    So what are the odds Hall gets a red on Sunday?

  109. sean monaghan says:

    Shutout kevin hartman

    VERY NAICEEE

  110. Smith says:

    30 years ago, we got the Cosmos on tape delay with horrible camera angles.

    I’ll take what ESPN is giving us.

  111. someone who has played soccer says:

    So, here’s a follow up to my comment since now that I read your commentary, Ives, you seem to have picked up on it.

    Conway didn’t fall down as though he were drunk. On a penalty kick the keeper will generally choose one direction and go to that side no matter what, unless the penalty taker badly telegraphs his shot. Once the keeper decides to go to one side and starts moving that way, the momentum will obviously carry him through.

    So, what happened with Conway was not so much that he merely fell down lazily; rather, he decided to dive in the wrong direction. He might have realized the kick would be going to his opposite just as it was being taken, already too late for him to change direction. So, what looked like falling down was a simple case of Conway choosing the wrong side and realizing his error early enough to stop the full out dive but too late to change direction.

  112. EssEff says:

    Eugene, I’m with you. I love the debate, but I’m 40 and got into MLS from the start. I played since I was 5, not a bad player, but definitely don’t know how to analyze a game. Anyway, I totally love the sport. I was there in the days when Sanneh was an up and comer making a great (!) impression on the road in CR in WC qualifying. Anyway, that’s just to tell you where I’m coming from. I’ve been a Direct Kick sub for years, but just dropped this year.

    I want MLS to survive, but tire of it. Of course, when somethings on the line, like Interliga, the passion is ratcheted up 100% and then I love to see our guys go up a level and compete. But, MLS now bores me. Can’t blame the players, there’s not much on the line in the early weeks. The game tonight after NY went down a man, was so slo mo. Bummer. I want to see our league be exciting, but the slow process is excrutiating

  113. Supsam says:

    Really people? really!?! Why do you guys watch MLS in the first place? Why!? Do you expect ronaldo like stepovers, zidane’s roulette, pretty flicks and chips when watching MLS? NO!! So dont go mouthing off how messy it is. Im not saying its not but im not going out of my way telling everyone. Do you tell a girl that they have a hella noticable pimple? No! Cuz im sure they already know and they dont want to hear it. I dont want to hear it and im sure most of us here dont either. I watch MLS because i support US soccer, I support my local community (San Jose), I support the game of soccer. Its a young league and ill be patient.

    To all those all of a sudden MLS bashers, go watch your Bundesliga, your EPL, your Serie A league. Oh wait thats right, its not “yours” its “theirs” You dont need MLS well MLS does not need you. I will be waiting for you guys to come back here on SBI when your English Beckham comes back yea? You guys know im right.

  114. Rudy says:

    O.k., now I’m convinced.If you suck at something, don’t waste time trying. They should just disband MLS now. Why bother?

  115. KCB says:

    1-NIL TO THE KC WIZ!

    And let me just say, the WORST PLAYED 1-nil victory I’ve EVER witnessed from my Wizards. Were we really a man up that entire match? I think NY must have slipped another player on the field cause I didn’t notice.

  116. MVK says:

    Wizards always play like crap a man up, once they started stop trying to pass it around so much in the midfield NYRB didnt get any real chances. I don’t know how Espinoza missed that shot in the end, it was the easiest part of the play and he skuffed it. Oh well, a point is a point. I give RB player of the match two that right winger that has the African name Mbuta or something like that and the man of the match to Dane Richards, but for the Wizards because he made it like playing two men up…

  117. MVK says:

    poor finishing by each team, probably should have been 3-1, Mac Kandji should have finished his chance in the first half and Gomez should have finsihed his diving header in the first half as well. Angel got close in the 2nd but Hartman was quick to come out and Espinoza completely botched a wide open goal after beating his mark on a cross/switched ball.

  118. MVK says:

    Was the “D.A.R.E. To Keep a Goalkeeper Off Drugs” sign visiable on the boardcast?

  119. Joamiq says:

    someone who has played soccer apparently doesn’t know a whole lot about goalkeeping.

  120. madmax says:

    Will Carlos Johnson lead the league in red cards? Harsh call, Johnson is horrible but he wasn’t last defender.

    Imports were the difference, John Pablo is in very poor form, while Lopez is in fine form.

    When will MLS players get that first touch down. The majority of MLS players have a ‘yard touch’, to both bring the ball down and on the dribble. It makes playing the ball on the ground extremely difficult. What’s up coaches?

    Both back fours resorted to banging the ball
    up field in the second half. I couldn’t tell why on TV? Weren’t the mids making themselves available, or was it just lazy play?

  121. Joamiq says:

    MVK, all we saw was the DARE part. Pretty funny even as a Red Bull fan now that I know what the whole thing said, but at the time I thought, “DARE banners at MLS games? Man, KC is lame.”

  122. MVK says:

    Joamiq- i was just wondering if it was shown, i am not a fan of that kinda stuff and i wasnt to pleased about the fan who threw the beer on the field after a bad call as well.

    madmax- link to soccernet.espn.go.com

    that link has the video replay, Gomez was had an easy goal reguardless if you think the guy was the last defender so its nothign but a red. By the book he prevented an obvious goalscoring opportunity and given this

    “Referees should consider the following circumstances when deciding

    whether to send off a player for denying a goal or an obvious goalscoring

    opportunity:

    – the distance between the offence and the goal

    – the likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball

    – the direction of the play

    – the location and number of defenders

    – the offence which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring”

    its a no brainer call

  123. chupacabra says:

    If you’ve paid attention for a while to the way Gomez plays, you’d know that the phrase “obvious goal scoring opportunity” does not apply to him.

  124. Homey Boehme says:

    Total neutral here, but managed to catch the 2nd half of the game. There really wasn’t a whole lot to get excited about. Not many goal scoring opportunities, very sloppy passing/loss of possession in the midfield.

    One other thing I will say, is that it is very hard to enjoy watching a game when the commentators feel the need to say how awful the game you are watching is. On the other hand they were echoing my exact thoughts, but idk….(trails off into non-conclusive thought pattern)