Prelude to a McBride to Chicago deal?

Toronto FC just traded first-round draft pick Pat Phelan to the New England Revolution for an international roster spot through 2010.

Could this deal be a prelude to Toronto FC receiving a player from the Chicago Fire for the allocation slot the Fire can use to sign Brian McBride? It is entirely possible. What player might that be? Toronto had strong interest in Justin Mapp, while Wilman Conde would also be a good addition for Toronto.

In the meantime, New England makes out by acquiring a versatile and highly-regarded rookie in Phelan, who can provide cover both in the back and in defensive midfield.

It will be interesting to see what trader Mo Johnston has under his sleeve and just what the Fire will give up for the chance to add McBride to an already loaded team.

Share your thoughts on this deal, and what you think it means, below.

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82 Responses to Prelude to a McBride to Chicago deal?

  1. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    Should be interesting indeed.

    Gotta say im a bit sad to see Phelan leaving (although he never played a game but it was nice to have a stacked defense).

    If we get Conde im willing to bet hes headed to NYRB (we all know he wants to be there). Id argue Mo is looking to grab us a striker and send off Cunny. Maybe Im wrong?

    Either way im quite excited…

  2. KingSnake says:

    Chicago: Bend over and grease it up. Here comes the big one!

  3. EDB says:

    Conde I can deal with being delt.. Mapp being delt i think would hurt more with thorrington being hurt alot and it would prbably also mean that rolfe is back to playing a mid role.

  4. Joe says:

    I would rather have a young Mapp than a 36 yr old McBride. I would rather see Carr, Robinson,Barrett, Frankowski, Herron or someone other than a starter for him. I would love to see Brian in a Fire shirt but not give up the young nucleus of our team.

  5. Joe_in_ND says:

    I really want McBride to come to the Fire.

    But at the same time, we already have a loaded roster, and I don’t want to lose too many big pieces like a 23 year old Justin Mapp.

    If we can keep all our big pieces and add McBride, while maybe getting rid of draft picks/cash/bit players, you might as well etch The Fire’s name on the Cup.

    Come on Fire!

  6. Dr. Modibo says:

    Conde to TFC.

    I hope it’s not Soumare.

  7. kpugs says:

    You know what’s funny, I spent so much time trying to explain to people who don’t understand MLS that McBride will play wherever he chooses that I didn’t even stop to think that Chicago fans might not even want him!

    Ha, not only that, but it seems so obvious that Chad Barrett should be the man they poison Toronto with. He’s got “decent” stats but is just such a bad player. If he had half the talent most people think he does he’d have 15 goals this season by now.

  8. groovester says:

    kpugs – i agree. I think Barrett leads the league in blown scoring opportunities. If they kept that stat anyway. Gordon over in LA may give him a race for the title.

    g

  9. Sandro says:

    Ives,

    I am little bit unfamiliar with this allocation thing in MLS. Have you written an article on the explanation for the allocation system? If so can you post a link. Not sure I quite understand why McBride can’t just be sign by Chicago Fire or any other team directly.

  10. Dominghosa says:

    Package Conde and Barrett.

  11. Murphy says:

    Conde or Barrett to TFC. Chicago should do it, no question. Definitely give up Barrett before Mapp. I am predicting that McBride will be a goal machine with Blanco, Thorrington, Rolfe, Mapp, etc surrounding him. I think I’m becoming a Fire fan…

  12. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    Sorry lads, if Barrett is as bad as you say he is, im certain Mo knows and wont be going for him. Mo has done well for us so far so i dont see that changing quite yet.

  13. brett says:

    Herron to TFC :D

    probably going to be Conde, altho like Ives stated, Mapp is an interest…

    BUT, if Conde was infact going to NY in the process then what is NY going to offer TFC?? obviously not Angel, and with talks of Jozy going abroad VERY soon, their options are limited…

    i see TFC getting a player like Robinson or Conde and keeping them… but i wonder if TFC could get Conde to resign?? i dunno

  14. Elliott says:

    OMY,

    Barrett does waste some chances, but he’s got 4 goals and 3 assists in nine appearances this season.

    He’s productive (by MLS standards) and has a good engine – as they say.

    He would be a good pickup for most MLS sides, despite the insufferable whining from Fire fans.

  15. HomeyBoehme says:

    @Kingsnake – LOL!

  16. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    ill reiterate the point that TFC currently has second least amount of goals against and a deep defense and deep midfield (couldnt hurt to have another winger ;)) as well as a lack of strikers. This will play heavily into the trade.

  17. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    Elliot, thanks for the straight facts.

    Hows his history?

    I gotta say i dont follow the fire much so i wont know the details of some of their players…

  18. Carl Setterlund says:

    Hah, I do love being a Revs fan. I know we keep coming up short in the MLS Cup, but it is a model organization. We all knew that McBride deal would happen at some point and someone might need to offer a little help to make it happen. I’d be interested to know who made the phone call, Nicol or Mo? Here’s to hoping Phelan pans out big-time.

  19. brett says:

    Ossington Mental Youth- barrett is a work in progress…. he’s not going anywhere, despite what Fire fans may want…. he’s got the work ethic of McBride, just not the tools yet… hopefully he’ll come through

    Barrett tends to miss simple goals, yet has a nack for still being an average forward in the league… he’s shown incredible growth since last season… he’s placing his shots rather then trying to force them through the keeper… i see the fire looking at him as coming through in this season or the next…. and with the likely hood he wont see europe calling anytime soon the Fire have an average forward that stands a good chance at scoring any moment….

  20. brett says:

    Carl Setterlund- under the Revs system im sure Phelan will pan out just nicely… the Revs have a knack for pulling young talent that come through in their own…

  21. Aljarov says:

    I don’t see Mo giving this up cheap…and I don’t see Chicago giving up the farm for him either. TFC don’t want crap players that wont help…they’re a competitive team now and are really just missing a DP level striker themsevles.

    Send us a miss-fest like Barrett is of no intere4st given we already have Jeff Cunningham to miss 90% of his shots on goal. Mapp would be a valuable commodity but hardly something we need given our depth at ML (we have 5 good options including Laurent Robert).

  22. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    Thanks Brett,

    Judging by your report I wouldnt doubt Barrett could be an option. How is he for shooting in general? We have a tendency to try to walk goals into the net, rather then shoot them from reasonable distances…

  23. Paul says:

    The Fire are not loaded in defense; Guti and Brown are both on the cusp of retiring, so Conde (and $300.000 transfer fee)would be way overpaying for a 36 yr old McBride. If Mcbride can be had without wrecking the team, well and good; if not we should pass on McBride.

  24. brett says:

    Ossington- he’s doing much better this season with 4 goals and 3 assists… he still has some chances that he blows, but he’s been having a better season…

    with Chad you will get a player that works hard the entire time he’s on the field… he’s had an issue with dehydration but i think the great people at gatorade has fixed that problem…. altho id be surprised if Barrett goes… i think Hamlett is pretty high on him, and with McBride only around for a season and a half we’ll need depth… Rolfe Barrett and Nyarko are our current future… so i dunno if he’ll be brought into this trade..

  25. bgnewf says:

    Jarrod Smith, who has been useful so far to TFC – potting a couple of nice goals, is now a senior player and we have an additional international roster slot that we can use for either somebody we get from Chicago for McBride’s allocation or simply use it to add some roster depth down the road. We are not as deep up front as we should be. The back and midfield are sorted. Now we need a striker and a DP striker as well. Come on Mo, prove me wrong….show me you are not totally lost.

  26. brett says:

    Paul- in all honesty do you think Conde will resign with the fire?? i dont think so, regardless of his play and how we do… if Mo accepts Conde, i say we do it…

    we have Robinson and Woolard still… i know Woolard is a rookie, but he’s gotten some playing time…. and lets not forget we still have Marmol…. but yes, i agree CJ and Guit are soon to be retiring….

  27. brett says:

    honestly, i stand by the fact that Mo may end up just picking up Draft picks and Allocation…. rumors have it he’s looking for a DP, and with all that allocation money he’ll have he can go out and buy himself a quality player to suit up with the DP…. if the DP is used on a striker or Playmaker, then the allocated spot can be used for the opposite….

    i suspect a DP forward, and an allocated playmaker…

  28. jloome says:

    ATTN Chicago fans. There are other teams in the league. We’re not going to take COnde, we have the second strongest (and maybe strongest, since half those goals were in the first two games) defense in theleague, with more depth than we can handle.

    We’re also unlikely to take Mapp, although he’s a darn good player, because we have midfield depth, too, particularly on the left.

    The only thing Chicago has to offer us is strikers, and not much at that. So it’s much more likely if we trade his allocation it will be for a role-playing striker (Barrett or Wolfe) and high draft picks, cash.

    I highly doubt it will be a midfielder or forward, as that would make no sense. It MIGHT be for Mapp on the assumption that Edu (who is proving a better attacker than holder) is going to Europe in the next two seasons. But I doubt it.

  29. kebzach says:

    Marmol to tfc

  30. brett says:

    jloome- you seem to be missing the big picture… McBride wants to play with the Fire… you have little negotiating options… its deal through the fire or see McBride retire…. and seeing as you opened a Int’l spot, i see you dealing with the fire…

    conde, mapp, and robinson seem to be the best options… IF Mo decides to take a player… i stand firm that i wouldnt be shocked if he picked up allocation and d.Picks….. as ive said above (and many times before), its a smart move….

    the best defense in the league?? please dont make me laugh…. perhaps the 2nd best, but not the first… sorry, the fire have you well beat there

  31. brett says:

    kebzach- with all the hassle of signing him and the fact that Guit and CJ are bound to retire soon, i think we’ll be keeping onto Marmol… cant believe anyone would think that:D

  32. brett says:

    jloome- sorry i couldnt resist….

    Wolfe?? well Wolff is in Germany (technically spain for the time being) and Rolfe is not an option…. he means too much to the fire to trade…

    if its a forward, the best you’d get would be barrett, but i dont see that happening either….

  33. jloome says:

    If you think Johnston’s going to roll over and take it, I think you’re both delusional. I think you’ll see a hell of a fight on the ownership group (in which MLSE is a fairly heavy hitter, just on buying power) to force a ‘weak’ deal for an allocation.

    And there’s simply no way — no way on this earth– that Conde winds up in Toronto. We may end up owning him for eight seconds before he heads to another team, but there’s simply no point to Toronto signing him. We’ve got much better options already.

    Ditto with MApp. really, we have one international spot left thanks to trading phelan, and if you think it’s NOT going on a striker in some respect, you’re delusional.

  34. Jeffrey Bitterling says:

    “TTN Chicago fans. There are other teams in the league. We’re not going to take COnde, we have the second strongest (and maybe strongest, since half those goals were in the first two games) defense in theleague, with more depth than we can handle.”

    Who are “we”?? Toronto? I am not sure which team in the league could not use a Conde on their team. Chicago can use Conde on the team!

  35. brett says:

    Ossington Mental Youth said this in the first thread about Jozy to Villa

    “They moved Smith up to senior roster as well.. Im willing to bet we either go for Mapp or another Striker, send away Cunningham and sign a DP striker (not McBride) and get a money Allocation from Chicago…”

    one of the only TFC fans who is making any sense…. while we may be putting loads of goals away, we also have blanco setting us up for them… Rolfe is our only quality forward, and quite frankly, he’s not for sale…. Barrett is improving yet stil growing as a player… Nyarko is unproven… herron is old and gets no time with us… Frankowski showed quality when he wasnt injured… Carr is all speed and little technical abitlity…

    quit dreaming and look at the facts

  36. Jerry says:

    What about a 3 team trade? Allocation spot to Chicago, Conde to NY and a combination of cash and allocation to toronto. The Red Bulls just got 10 Million for Jozy. I’m pretty sure Mo could use some of that $$$.

  37. brett says:

    jloome- it is not rolling over to take the allocation money and draft picks in this situation… Mo isnt going to want an average player (ie. Mapp and Barrett) he’s going to want to get the most Bang for his Buck… and allocation is the way…

    on top of the DP he’s going to pick up eventually, he’s going to need another 1 or 2 quality players to assist… allocation is the way to beat the Cap… therefor mo would be looking into the future of the team rather then the immediate present…

    what forward do you think youd grab?? Rolfe?? he’s not for sale… FACT!… Barrett?? possible, but as ive said he’s a average MLS forward… if you picked him up, who would place the beautiful passes to him like blanco.??

    about this comment about conde “but there’s simply no point to Toronto signing him. We’ve got much better options already.”

    pls tell me who you have thats better then Conde?? the Fire have the best defense in the league currently and the Fire fans are still screaming to get Hamlett to start Conde (depsite our quality play in the back line)… he’s one of the best defenders in the league, and you’re foolish to think otherwise…

  38. brett says:

    Jerry- quite possible, but im sure you’d have to drop ALOT of $$ and allocation…

    id actually be ok with the deal, despite my disliking for the redbulls now:P

  39. MLS Fan says:

    This deal has cleared the way for TFC to get either GA players from the Fire roster who don’t count against the senior roster limits (Nyarko or Soumare). TFC has 2 int’l (non-Cdn) slots open right now but no senior roster spots left open. If indeed this deal was to clear the way for an int’l player from Shitcago then they would not have promoted Jarrod Smith to the senior roster which filled the 1 vacant snr roster spot they had from dealing Phelan.

  40. HerthaBerwyn says:

    Despite being only 23 Mapp has been with the Fire a long time. IIRC Bob Bradley traded Dema from Chicago to DC for him. Hes a main piece of the young core. Id be loathe to disrupt the long term for a year and a month or two of an aged hero. I trust Klopas and Hamlett.

  41. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    Jerry brings up a good point.

    Could it be possible that Chicago will rid of a striker AND Conde (simply for the room)? I know Hauptmann hates NYRB but does that go so far as to not free cap space?

  42. brett says:

    MLS Fan- i wont go so far to say that Nyarko is off limits… i will say Soumare is off limits tho… and if the fire were smart they’d hold onto Nyarko as well… apparently they are pretty high on Nyarko…

    altho itd be a risk for TFC to pick up Nyarko, as he’s untested in the MLS… he’s a prospect, nothing more… but i guess Nyarko is possible, especially since he wouldnt count toward TFC’s cap… i just hope the fire dont drop him or soumare…

  43. brett says:

    HerthaBerwyn- and there in lies another problem…. mapp is still young and as long as he stays healthy could very well be with the fire for quite some time….

    Ossington Mental Youth- i think Hauptmann’s hate for NY may be pushed aside to pick up mcbride, especially since its no secret Conde is probably gone at the end of the season anyways (whether it be to NY or abroad)… Its all possible

  44. MLS Fan says:

    brett – The point about Conde is he is only signed through this season and has already made it known he only wants to play for Osorio and was looking to leave MLS. You don’t give it up for a guy who is unhappy and looking to leave at the end of the year. Especially when this position is the deepest on the roster for TFC. Frankly draft picks don;t mean a lot to TFC (see they just traded their #11 overall pick for an int’l slot) given the roster rules. Allocation $ is the only $ that matters (plain cash means virtually nothing as the team is likely the most profitable in MLS).

  45. Fumar says:

    TFC is getting straight money. Or moeny and a draft pick. Or at most Barrett money and a draft pcik depending on home much they’re hurting at striker.

    Any and all deals are ok by me, as a fire fan.

  46. Trex says:

    Conde to TFC… and then traded to NY.

  47. brett says:

    MLS Fan- far be it from me to 2nd guess Mo if he mentions Conde… its clear cut that conde is either out of the league or going to NY next season… therefore ive pointed out in a couple of posts that i agree a triangle of trades between NY, Chi, and TFC is quite likely….

    However, i wonder how much JCO and the redbulls are willing to give to get a player that they can pick up for free in Jan??

    and ive said from the get go that Mo will probably go for Allocation, as he probably doesnt want his limited Intl’ spots being taken up by average MLS players

  48. MLS Fan says:

    Conde to TFC… and then traded to NY.

    Posted by: Trex | June 04, 2008 at 02:44 P

    ———————————————–

    For what? NRYB has no depth up front to deal for Conde.

  49. MLS Fan says:

    But allocation $ alone won’t be enough. Mo is not going to give the title to Chicago this year and next for $$$$. He is going to want a top player in exchange.

  50. Chow says:

    Also NY can’t just pick up Conde for free after this year, I believe, seeing as we own his rights in MLS? Does that make sense?

  51. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    Chow is correct about Condes rights…

  52. jloome says:

    Tebily is better than Conde in his sleep andhas the resume to support that, James (if he isn’t already) will be better than conde, Velez is playing out of his shoes, Marshall has palyed well all year. You don’t trade for a centre half when you’ve got at least three, maybe four, that could start on any team in the league. It’s just asinine, unless it’s part of a bigger flip.

    And I’m not disagreeing with you rposition it could just be for allocations and drafts — I don’t consider that bending over if we already have an idea what we’re doing with it. It’s the suggestion that we’ll take Conde that just seems ridiculous.

    In fact, I could see Mapp or Rolfe being the only two players Mo would really want from Chicago right now — the former due to his boundless potential and the latter because he can finish, which is our only real issue right now.

    And before someone pipes off on Velez, he’s a better player now than he was in USL, by a country mile.

  53. brett says:

    MLS Fan- you are saying that TFC will want a top player in exchange, yet you listed Nyarko?? he’s untested, unproven, and still a rookie… he’s played a few reserves game… and the fact you gave up a promising defensive prospect for an intl slot i doubt you’d use it on another promising prospect regardless of if he’s a forward…

    you’ll be looking at Mapp, Conde or Robinson… as many of the TFC fans have claimed, TFC is solid in the defense so perhaps Robinson isnt an option…. you’ve pointed out NY has nothing in return for Conde exchange, and you wouldnt want to trade for an unhappy player who aims to leave at the end of the season… leaving your true options being Mapp… maybe Barrett (but doubtfull, b/c MO can find better options)…

    allocation $$ fixes alot of your up n’ coming problems…. DP and a 2nd quality player to mix with him… as we’ve found out a DP by itself is useless without surround quality…

  54. kevin says:

    I’m hoping that the Fire trade Frankowski, losing Mapp would be a big blow. IDK though, because Frankowski is a new signing; doesn’t seem that fair to bring him in from overseas and them send him packing after only a couple of months, but I guess that’s business.

  55. brett says:

    jloome- i wont say anything about the defenders b/c i truthfully i really only know Marshall, Wynne and James… James has hardly gotten playing time if im correct, let alone be compared to a seasoned CB like Conde… Conde is a valuable commodity and any team would start him… he’s sat the bench at the fire b/c of a slew of injuries and b/c he was grounded at the beginning of the season

    i agree that its probably not an option you’d pick up conde, its just been rumored Mo seemed interested….

    Mapp is your biggest betting chip…Mo seems high on him… Rolfe is not for sale, simple as that… Rolfe is TOOOOOO valuable for the Fire, i doubt any fan of the Fire would forgive if he was traded…

  56. The Chicago Fire says:

    jloome,

    If “you” don’t need Mapp, then why has Mo asked for him? Twice.

  57. Steve says:

    Mo and Maple Leaf have no leverage! MLS is still single entity. HQ wants McBride in the league. McBride will only play in Chicago. Leave the logic of the team’s controlling this behind.

    Its going to be draft picks, its going to be allocation money, and it will be Nyarko, Rolfe, Mapp, Thorrington, or Carr.

    And we’ll still be arguing about this a month from now since McBride isn’t eligible to join the Chicago until July 15th.

  58. brett says:

    Steve- its going to be mapp then as many have pointed out Mo has asked a couple times for…

  59. bangersandmash says:

    ok, isn’t this hands down the best trade rumour of the year (so far)? who doesn’t have a theory about who should come, who should go, which club is getting the best deal, how many side trades should be involved. Knowing the MLS there’s probably an obscure rule where you get extra allocation money for generating a good rumour.

  60. brett says:

    bangersandmash- lol, isnt it rule 464 B?? Rule 464 A is creating the most Outlandish Rumors…

  61. krolpolski says:

    The Fire will not give up anyone of importance. MLS wants this deal done and they will tell Tonto: “Hey, hosers. Here’s the deal, eh?” And that’s it.

    The Fire is not giving up Conde. Or Mapp or anyone else Tonto is lusting for.

    They will get a Carr, a Herron, a draft pick and some cash, a shake of the hand and that’s it.

    For years the league has tried to improve LA and NY with its shennanigans. While they have failed with NY, LA is a couple players away from having a good team.

    And with Blanco doing well, MLS wants to attract more Mexican-American fans and the Fire going to the MLS finals is one way to help make it so.

  62. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    Uh, sorry Krolpolski, not swallowing that.

    Sounds like alot of selfcentred selfconfident nonsense to me. Mo is a well known bargainer and has already voiced that McBride will not be going cheaply. Also I would imagine that the league wouldnt want to pissoff one of the biggest/more well known/newer support bases in the league.

    I think itll be a fair trade in which everyone will walk away happy. I do not see TFC losing anything in this.

  63. Eugene says:

    Not to mention that Phelan is a Wake Forest guy and the Revs love Wake guys.

  64. DigzTFC says:

    Some insight:

    There’s an 18 year old defender released from New Caslte at TFC that could take up a development spot with an international designation. The DP will be a striker, but in order to afford that, TFC will have to have allocation and trade away Cunningham. That leaves 2-3 real strikers (not wingers) on the roster. Chicago is probably the deepest in the league at forward. Keep in mind TFC will gun for O’Brian White next year with San Jose’s pick (2nd overall the way things are going). The deal will be for draft picks and allocation or possibly Nyarko. My guess is Chicago don’t want to give up money.

  65. DigzTFC says:

    What’s this league business. Teams will agree to terms and this conspiracy theory about favoritism is ridiculous. And the hosers and eh’s comments….come on. Does an SCTV skit really have that amount of mileage? Does that mean everyone in the US works for CSI? Grow up

  66. papa bear says:

    @Posted by: MLS Fan | June 04, 2008 at 02:36 PM

    LA is by FAR the most profitable team in MLS. I’d be willing to bet Chicago is quite a bit more profitable as well given the money Best Buy is paying and the Blanco shirt sales. (I see tons of Fire shirts in LA)

    Also, Mo can want all the top players he wants, but he’s not in a great position. McBride will simply retire if he can’t play for Chicago and Chicago isn’t exactly desperate for him. The card he’s holding isn’t exactly big as it might be if it was a 27 year old McBride looking to play for whoever bids first.

  67. papa bear says:

    @Posted by: Ossington Mental Youth | June 04, 2008 at 05:01 PM

    is the irony of you telling someone to stop being self obsessed and self important not lost on you when you talk about being the biggest baddest supported club (not true, LA is) club in the league that should not be pissed off?

    You obviously haven’t followed the league very long to know that they do this crap all the time.

    If McBride was returning and said he wanted to play for Real Salt Lake, trust me he’d be in Salt Lake on 7/15 with very little given up by RSL in return.

    TFC isn’t getting anymore than ONE player or a $80-100K allocation for their spot.

  68. jloome says:

    Mo asked for Mapp twice because we needed a left-sided midfielder. we signed robert, and both ricketts and smith can play on both sides, so we dont need one anymore. THat’s why.

  69. martha says:

    Fire cant give up Mapp, thou hes maddengly inconsistent when hes on he take pressure of Blanco. Plus there are no other good options on the left side.

    Send Conde to Toronto and send Mcbride and the MLS trophy to Chicago.

  70. MLS Fan says:

    brett – Nyarko is named because he is GA. The team is deep right now and picking someone to drop from the senior roster is actually difficult (the same could not be said last season). By picking up Nyarko or Soumare, TFC would be adding to the team without being forced to dump anyone.

  71. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    Papa Bear,

    Just because im not an ‘old head’ doesnt mean i dont know the history. I honestly dont believe we are going to get screwed on this one. You may have been bitten in the past but we havent and as a result we have no reason to believe we will. I highly doubt we are going to see a trade that pathetic, not that we will walk away with a monstrous win but that we the supporters will be satisfied.

    I know it sounds ridiculous but we’ve obviously been getting attention, more so then alot of clubs (which in all cases have been around longer). For the record it is a tiresome overfocused topic but it is an angle/element that does need to be recognized. For some reason or another we are being regarded as a good model to base the start of a club from, why screw that up? To appease Chicago? You truly think that McBride is going to change the way this league is viewed for one and half seasons at the age of 36? Hes a good player with a good history but those have limits. This isnt Fernando Torres we are talking about here, its Brian McBride. Thats not to mention the fact that the league has been openly attempting for clarity in its operations. You dont think Mo/MLSE will cry fowl and be heard?

  72. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    PS

    LA has the highest attendance, that doesnt necessarily mean largest supporters group or that anyone that even goes to the games care about the sport… Anyone can buy a ticket/season ticket…

  73. Steve says:

    Yeah, TFC’s so deep they had some 19 year old kid (Nana Attakora Gyan) in their back line last week.

    They couldn’t possibly use a proven MLS centerback…..

    Granted that’ll probably fly in the lame-o CONCACAF qualifying playoffs versus the USL but seriously.

    Summer must not have arrived up north to defrost their brains yet.

  74. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    Steve, you rule.

    Gyan was a sub near the end of the game. Played for a whopping 6 minutes. Hes a canadian U-20, you guys have that in america right? The game we won 2-0. Against LA. The one where we played with 6 of our starters missing. Didja catch that game at all? or were you dodging gunfire or repomen. ‘Spose it could have been both.

    PapaBear,

    I guess i should have really stressed my belief in Mo as opposed to the supposed clarity of the league. Dude has done well enough for us thus far, i dont know why he would stop now. Once again, no hard feelings (i do agree with you the TFC backpatting has to stop) and i dont think we are getting screwed on this one.

  75. Steve says:

    Granted this is going to seem very disingenuous considering I was just making lame attempts at cracks against Canadians. But…

    … if Mo and MLSE cry foul they will only do so to appease their fan base. The success of all leagues in North America is dependent on American TV money. If you don’t believe me look south to Detroit where you national sport (and the greatest trophy in sports) was decided by 2 american teams again tonight. Why? Because 80% of the league is in the US. Not because hockey is that popular but because their are more of us and hence more dollars to be spent.

    Its a numbers and dollars game. Especially with the single entity structure of MLS. Brian McBride will sell a few more tickets and turn on a few more tellies in the US so the LEAGUE not Chicago wants him. Chicago already has their money maker in Blanco. Not to mention a good team without McBride. MLS would love to have Blanco in their final and they’d love to have McBride in their final because it will draw ratings. MLS Cup ratings = bigger tv contract = more revenue for all 14 (16) teams.

    I agree you won’t be ‘screwed’ because all you’re giving up is an allocation earned by being shite last year. But if anything your loyal fan base will hurt you because the league knows you’ll sell out regardless of what you get for this allocation. There would be greater concern if you were a city without a loyal allegiance and without a SSS.

    But bottom line this is a business decision for the league. So one player plus draft choices and $.

  76. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    Oddly enough Steve, i was saying something similar to that in this thread and other threads. That to me (and i would assume most people) would be a fair trade.

    As for the rest of your theory, cant say i agree with it. Its been said time and time again as MLSE owns the maple leafs a heavily supported team that hasnt won anything in 40 some odd years, that however is turning around as MLSE is serious about the sports business. Theyve turned the Raptors into a relatively winning team and TFC has invested in Academys and coaches, neither of which it is obligated to do so in any extensive manner. The fact of the matter is that TFC fans (much like any other serious soccer fans) will not stand for mediocrity when it comes to their team.

    TFC supporters are not afraid to voice their opinions (like other supporters) and will defend their team to the end (including protests against even the possibility or mention of the Argonauts sharing a stadium with TFC). Just to reiterate supporters are a boring topic. Obviously we are all supporters otherwise we wouldnt be reading this blog int he first place.

    As you said we are getting something for nothing but so it will be a win win but lets be honest, some wins are bigger than others…

    Why wouldnt we trade the rights away to the likes of RSL who could then use them in anyway they wanted (to trade or attempt to sign McBride themselves)? Its in the rulebook… Sure it swings in favor of chicago but noone is stopping chicago from doing business with RSL to get McBride…

  77. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    PS we wouldnt look any bigger than any of the other MLS teams in the CCL. Even if we didnt have the Canadian cup we’d still qualify at this point in time;)

  78. Tim F. says:

    For the rights to McBride, Toronto should settle for nothing less than Conde, Marmol, Mapp and Rolfe. Otherwise, they should sign McBride themselves.

  79. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    Not to belabour an argument (although thats whats going to happen), the NHL is not a good example to use as look at the ‘success’ of the phoenix coyotes or Atlanta Thrashers. Please dont tell me those teams are making money. They were put their by mismanagement which ideally the MLS is now past (certainly looks that way as they show increasing interest in bringing teams to the likes of St Louis and Montreal, two good soccer cities).

  80. rkupp says:

    Chicago will end up with McBride, he’ll disappoint, the Fire’s chemistry will get ruined and they’ll have a 2nd half nosedive. Write it down.

  81. Steve says:

    OMY – The single entity piece and structure is the difference between the other teams you mention. The fact is that the agreement that MLSE entered into with MLS ceded a lot of control that a sports franchise typically has, just like every other MLS team, that power rests in Garber’s hands who looks after the collective ownership interest.

    My argument is that basically neither the Fire nor TFC hold most of the cards here. They’re held by the league and McBride.

    You’re right on many of your points about not having to accept mediocrity but that doesn’t mean you will get ‘fair’ open amrket value either. This would be a better argument over a pint in a pub than here on the boards but for all the bluster we’ll both ahve to wait and see.

  82. Ossington Mental Youth says:

    HAHAHA

    agreed, and oddly enough we have seem to have gotten our wires crossed at some point as i see to hold the same opinions as you do for the most part. Regardless im looking forward to the outcome (and assuming you are as well)