How much should the Fire give up for McBride?

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The Chicago Fire is enjoying a dream start to the season, is leading the Eastern Conference and is doing so with an impressive wealth of talent on a deep and balanced team.

With that all in mind, how much should the Fire give up to acquire former U.S. national team star Brian McBride? The former Fulham captain is ready to return to MLS and wants to play for the Fire, but the Fire will have to make at least one deal to make that happen. There is no question that if Chicago could add McBride without giving anything up you could install the Fire as MLS Cup favorites today (actually, you could probably say it anyway.)

Unfortunately for the Fire, acquiring McBride isn’t going to come cheap and team officials will have to decide whether adding McBride is worth shaking up team on a roll right now.

So here is the question. How much should the Fire be willing to give up? If Chicago has to trade for a designated player slot, as well as an allocation slot from Toronto FC, you would have to wonder just how much of that depth and talent the Fire would be willing to surrender. If McBride is willing to pay for a non-DP salary for the second-half of the MLS season then things would be much easier, but if he wants a multi-year DP deal, the Fire could be forced to make a difficult choice.

Does Chicago mess with some very good chemistry right now or does it sacrifice talent and depth for a chance to add a quality veteran striker in McBride, who has been playing at a high level for years now? Does the Fire pass on the hometown hero and look for a more modest deal to make for a proven striker? Or does Chicago stand pat with its current squad?

Head coach Denis Hamlett and technical director Frank Klopas will certainly be earning their money on this one.

What do you think the Fire should do? Share your thoughts below.

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77 Responses to How much should the Fire give up for McBride?

  1. guillermo says:

    Ives,

    You summed it up in the your post. The decision on McBride will depend on what kind of deal he’s looking for. If he’s willing to play half a season for non-DP money in order to stay close to home, then it’s much easier.

    As a Fire fan, I’d love to have McBride but I also don’t want to give up the future for a 36 year old striker.

    It seems that McBride’s first choice is the Fire, but what if Toronto convinces him to come up north? He would be a an excellent addition to any MLS team.

  2. El Guapo says:

    I believe giving up our first round draft pick next year, throw in some allocation money we have lying around and then add Andy Herron, Dasan Robinson, and people are going to disagree with this but with McBride we dont need Frankoski anymore.

  3. Javier says:

    i know the Fire would be his preference, but any idea if he’s completely opposed to playing for TFC?

  4. bangersandmash says:

    How much should Chicago spend? Whatever it takes to keep McBride away from the Crew. I wouldn’t let a player of his class go to one of my main title rivals.

  5. J says:

    this is MLS, they make up rules as they come along. Chicago will get Mcbride on the cheap, and will be able to pay him DP money with out having to get an extra DP aka LA.

  6. Dante says:

    I don’t think anyone in the league would want Andy Herron.

  7. brett says:

    McBride has shown interest in coming back to the fire and the crew (in the past), but he’s showing large interest in playing for the Fire… he doesnt need the extra cash, im sure he’s banked quite a bit already… on top of that, he’s pretty much garenteed some form of soccer related job either with the fire (someone mentioned how perfect itd be if he worked with the academy) or some various organization…

    the question is what is the league willing to give up in order to obtain him for MKTing purposes…

    as it was pointed out… 1st round pick, allocation and probably some of our quality bench are up on the block (Robinson, possibly herron, etc..) but the BIG question that i pointed out last week, is DOES TFC HAVE ANY MORE INTL’ SPOTS LEFT?? and it was pointed out they do not… also they have to battle cap space, losing a player who’s been playing with them, etc…

  8. jloome says:

    It’s unlikely Toronto would give up its DP slot as part of the deal, as they’ve been looking for a DP striker for several months now themselves.

    And they’d want something big bag, like Frankowski and Mapp, or one of the strikers and a first pick. Toronto needs more firepower upfront, it’s the one area where the team is lacking right now. So I wouldn’t be surprised if they weren’t trying everything right now to point out to McBride how short the air commute to Chicago is.

  9. Duthie says:

    Barrett, allocation money, and a pick.

  10. Ives says:

    JLoome, nobody said Chicago would get the DP slot from Toronto, as it is clear TFC plans to use it. If McBride requires a DP slot then Chicago would need to trade with someone like Dallas or Real Salt Lake. I can’t see an East team dealing one to Chicago.

  11. Felix says:

    As a Fire fan, I would love to have a player of the quality and class as Brian McBride, I believe he would immediately be an upgrade over our current crop of forwards. However, if we would have to trade for the allocation spot and the DP spot, we would undoubtedly have to trade a lot of talent. And that’s a move I don’t know we should make. It’s not like the Fire is struggling for wins at the moment. Any move would probably involve Wilman Conde, as everyone knows he’s probably gone at the end of the season anyway. Conde along with another young forward plus a draft pick would be fine with me for McBride. Anything more, and then it begins to be unreasonable. Especially if wants DP money.

  12. gerald says:

    If it is assumed by everyone that Conde would leave at the end of the season would that make it harder to deal him. I agree with bangersandmash – what it would take to keep him away from it’s rivals

  13. brett says:

    as i understand it, if McBride chooses DP money, then all the fire would have to do is obtain a DP slot (as that route would bypass the allocation route)…

    if he’s not asking for DP money but rather donovan, ruiz and EJ money (allocation) then we’d have to get the rights from TFC…

    i stand by my opinion that i feel we have more leverage on TFC and getting the allocation then we would getting the DP slot… TFC would have to combat the ideas of Intl’ slots and salary cap… unless they push for someone who’s Gen. Adidas then they’d have to fight against Int’l slots which may be easier then i thought prior (ie. drop a non-starting intl’ player for the likes of Soumare, which the fire wouldnt trade [at least i hope they wouldnt])

    either way, i see future picks, allocation and straight forward $$$ (with maybe a lesser player, but i dunno)

  14. ccb1212 says:

    Ives, maybe you can clear this up, but I thought a DP trumped the allocation system. So if he does want DP money, would Chicago even need to worry about Toronto at that point? They would just need to get another DP spot. Or am I totally wrong?

  15. Squard says:

    As a Red Bulls fan, I love to see former national team players leave England to play for their home team!

  16. MonkeyBoy says:

    This is MLS and the league knows they need McBride. McBride will go where he wants. Heck, LAG technically only have 1 DP spot, but in reality they have 3 DPs.

    It’s likely the Fire will only need to trade with TFC for the allocation spot. For that, I agree that a draft pick along with one of the strikers is reasonable. Otherwise I can see Conde getting dealt.

  17. Will says:

    I don’t know how Chicago could swing both a DP slot and McBride. I’m sure Toronto isn’t looking to strengthen the strongest team in the league either. Not sure how this will play out.

  18. EDB says:

    I don’t really see McBride going to any team but Chicago or Columbus because the whole point of coming to the MLS was to live at home.

    That being said, I’m not sure what is the appropriate amount to get McBride. He only has a year or 2 left. I dunno its a strange situation.

  19. Mike says:

    I can’t say I understand this allocation business, but it seems like McBride should be a free agent. It should be about who can clear cap room space to pay for his services. One of the many issues the players union needs to address when their new deal comes up.

  20. HomeyBoehme says:

    IMO McBride is NOT a DP.

    I think that since it is McBride’s choice to leave Fulham, and his choice in wanting to play in Chicago, he should just take whatever salary the Fire can give him (per MLS rules) for the rest of this season. Then the team can restructure things at the end of the year to sign him to a DP contract or whatever. I don’t think the Fire should take the risk of upsetting a team (by trading players, etc.) that is dismantling the rest of the MLS.

  21. brett says:

    Will- we wouldnt need to get a DP and McBride…. as i pointed out (as well as ccb1212), DP trumps Allocation…

    the Fire should only have to deal for one of those… i bet they are looking at who can accept the lesser deal (which as ive said, will probably be TFC)

  22. mike ruze says:

    If Mcbride has reasonable salary demands and makes it clear he wants to play for the Fire and only the Fire thea league will make sure he gets there.

    Also by letting it be known hell play for the Fire or retire, than the value of his allocation is deeply diminished.

    Herron or Frankowski, Robinson, The first round pick next year and he rights to Cervi and Will Johnson..

    Thats it or get nothing.

    The drive from Arlington to Chicago is substantially less than the flight and geting to the airport hassle of goin to Toronto.

    Plus the income tax rate in Canada.

  23. notabbott says:

    Obviously, you’ve got to give a little to get a little here. The three most valuable guys we could let go given our depth would be Chad Barrett (has the stats to back it up now, and would lose his starting spot to McBride anyway), Wilman Conde and Justin Mapp (still has potential, but hasn’t been producing). Other guys who might help fill out a deal would be Dasan Robinson, Calen Carr, and maybe Logan Pause (if Marmol is the real deal, otherwise we’ve got a gaping hole in the defensive midfield). I wouldn’t want to offer up either of the GA guys (Soumare and Nyarko, if I recall correctly).

    Giving up Barrett and Carr also makes more room in the forward corps for McBride. I don’t think Herron is valuable enough to trade, and we put a lot of effort into the Frankowski signing to let him go.

    As I understand it, we’re gonna need either the allocation from Toronto OR a DP slot from someone else, right? San Jose needs help pretty much everywhere, so sending them two or three players could make a world of difference.

  24. kpugs says:

    This is the easiest question ever. Chad Barrett is the worst player in the history of the sport, but since sometimes the ball bounces off him into the net everyone thinks he’s awesome.

    Give up Chad Barrett, get McBride, it’s that effing simple.

    In fact, this topic is completely ridiculous. If McBride wants to play in Chicago that’s where he’ll play. The simple fact that this is some crazy discussion is absurd. The league will literally force Chicago to give up whatever is deemed necessary. If the Fire wisely play hardball they’ll have to give up next to nothing for him, screwing Toronto.

    If you didn’t read any of my previous jibber jabber, here is the rundown: Brian McBride will DEFINITELY play for Chicago, even of Toronto gets completely screwed in the deal.

    There it is, that’s how MLS works. And Fire fans will still find something to whine and cry about in the deal, you can bet on that. Whiniest fans in the history of sports, worse than anyone in New England.

  25. Don’t you think a deal has already been made. Why would he leave Fulham without a deal in place already?

    He could have stayed with Fulham for one more year and I think they would have kept him.

  26. Barry Jive and His Uptown Five says:

    Since McBride will be here a year and a half the Fire should trade Barrett, a draft pick and allocation cash.

    The Fire do not need a DP slot to pay McBride more than league max. Think Guillermo Barros Schelotto. Allocation money can be used to pay the balance of a salary that is greater than league max.

  27. guillermo says:

    Kpugs’ inane ramblings make me chuckle.

  28. Amit says:

    The guy wants to come back to his native land. Whether he’ll be playing or not might still be up in the air.

  29. anotherbodymurdered says:

    kpugs is just saddy-pants b/c Barrett put in two against the Re-Brand Energy Drinks. You know, you complain and bluster more hyperbolic B.S. on this blog than a dozen Fire fans put together.

    I’m surprised |ves and kpugs didn’t work out a way to bring Conde to NY in the process of McBride coming home to the Chi. Some kind of pyramid-scheme nonsense that will finally allow them to gaze upon the Columbian boy-toy they so lust after.

  30. Jeffrey says:

    So if you are American hot shot and you want to come back to MLS the system determines that you will automatically go to an expansion team or one of the worst teams the season before. That is screwy and in reality is not going to happen. How is that going to get good players back into MLS? Basically what they are really saying is if another team signs a quality player they must move over talent to the presumably lesser side. But certainly Toronto is not currently the worst MLS team now. So really why should they get anything? Maybe this experience will make them realize they need to change things. At least before Beasley decides he would like to come back and they say he has to go to Philly.

  31. emanon says:

    Another thing to consider is how much playing time McBride would get. By coming back to MLS is he taking himself out of the Olympic “overage” pool, or will he miss the August MLS matches and head over to China?

  32. Dr. Modibo says:

    Christ, if it’s to TFC, give them Conde and some allocation money. I would hate to see Conde playing against us – he’s a monster – but I think McBride could handle him!

  33. Dan says:

    Brian McBride is worth trading for a designated player slot, as well as an allocation slot from Toronto FC. No other American has his combination of courage, heart, character and drive. He would have a major impact on any American playing along side him. I would pick a team of 11 Brian McBrides over any other team in MLS.

  34. brett says:

    anotherbodymurdered- that would mean RBNJ would have something to offer either Chi or TFC to even be included in the triangle…. Jozy is gone, leaving JPA as their only true bargaining chip…

  35. brett says:

    Dan-

    1: we wouldnt need to get both the DP and Allocation spot, we get to pick either or….

    2: IF we had to get both then NO he would not be worth it… i would not destroy our current team which is producing and scoring just to get an american legend who may score loads of goals…whats the point… the fire will do whats best in its interest and dismantling the team is not one of them

  36. MLS will make some sort of deal, explicitly or implicitly to get McBride into Chicago–it will happen and Hamlett won’t have to sweat too hard to make it happen.

    Given the MLS’ penchant for bending the rules when it suits the marketing guys, the cost to Chicago won’t be steep–probably some allocation money, may be a super draft pick or two.

    McBride, if he really wants to play in Chicago, can afford to take league minimum salary (not Development salary but league minimum Senior player salary) for this year and rework a deal in the off-season. Thrown in a couple of bonuses, he won’t do too bad for a 2/3 season. MLS is not having to pay a transfer fee to get him and so there is no need for Chicago to break the bank.

  37. Tim F. says:

    Conde, Marmol, Mapp and Rolfe

  38. Tim F. says:

    Conde, Marmol, Mapp and Rolfe. Toronto FC should settle for NOTHING less.

  39. Al17 says:

    Kpug,

    seriously what is you issue with us Fire fans? You’re sounding pathological, get some therapy. Hell, I remember how we were screwed with the Jorge Campos deal – we didn’t want him and it wasn’t state secret but the league shoved him down our throats. I can recall a few other times we’ve been screwed by the league, so as far as I’m concerned we shouldn’t have to give up squat this time around. I’m sure we will but as far as I’m concerned, McBride comes to the Fire then we’re all square with the league and it’s whacky ass rules.

  40. guillermo says:

    Conde, Marmol, Mapp and Rolfe. Toronto FC should settle for NOTHING less.

    Posted by: Tim F. | June 02, 2008 at 12:44

    Maybe they should throw in Blanco and Sparky too.

  41. El Guapo says:

    Not Sparky!!!!!

  42. brett says:

    guillermo- perhaps we should should just off-load our entire starting XI to TFC.?? lol, thanks for the laugh Tim…

    TFC may act as tho they have the leverage but in fact its the fire… the fire would love to have McBride, but we dont need him… The league wants him and he wants to play in chicago… therefore as many have pointed out the league will most likely bend the rules to get this legend into the city of his choice…

    anyhow, TFC should be welcoming the allocation they will most likely get… this way when they use their DP they can use the allocation in order to pick up another quality talent(s) of THEIR choice…

  43. Adam says:

    Question for Ives (or whomever): If I’m another team in MLS, I don’t want a Fire player in a trade whose contract is up at the end of this year, and thus may have European aspirations. Is there a list of contract lengths out there?

    P.S. This is why Barrett or Conde probably won’t happen, unless some team feels that they’re the guy who will put them over the top this year.

  44. eric says:

    Mapp and Barrett seem fair for McBride, this is his last stop plus he’s injury prone.

    But I totally agree with Brett, TFC should help MLS bend the rules to land McB in Chi-town, and be angling for the best “make-up” package that MLS will give them, a good allocation and a favor in their pocket.

  45. Steve says:

    I don’t think 36 year old returning Nats players should be DPs. Anyone in Jersey care to back me up on this one?

    And my gut says that if McBride really turned down Fulham’s millions for another year in the Prem he already knows this as well, so it sall about the allocation.

    Therfore, it will come down to Toronto having to swallow what is brokered by Mr. Garber and Co. in NYC. Fact of the matter is that McBride wants Chicago and the league needs him more than the Fire. The Fire are top of the league. They’ve already got Blacno selling the tickets so its a pretty strong bargaining chip.

    I think it will cost the Fire a player or two (Robinson, Carr, Barrett, Thorrington, level), a draft choice or 2, and some cash.

  46. Tony in Quakeland says:

    Am I the only one whose head is exploding at the thought of Blacno and McBride on the same team?

  47. Addick says:

    So is there any more truth to the rumor that McBride will be with the Olympic squad?

  48. Will says:

    Mo Johnston seemed to suggest in his comments that he was fielding offers from various teams. Why would he say that if the league was forcing him to trade with Chicago? I don’t think he’d shut up about that if it were the case.

  49. gerald says:

    Steve – I’ll back you up on that one

  50. Mark says:

    How about Chicago’s entire starting XI, Toyota Park, the water tower behind Toyota Park, and Ditka. Chicago gets McBride, CN Tower, and all 14 of the $h***y Ripley’s Beleive It or Not Mueseums in Toronto.

    Seriously, Toronto fans are missing a few brain cells.

  51. John says:

    If McBride wants to be a DP, then Toronto is SOL for compensation… A DP isn’t subject to the allocation draft.

    If he chooses to go that route, I think you would see him end up with New England on a short term deal (18-30 months). They’ve been that second striker away from winning 3 straight titles.

    Chicago isn’t going to have a significant increase in shirt sales by bringing in McBride, so why would they mortgage what they have right now? It would cost them plenty to get a DP spot from TOR, DCU, NE, CLB, HOU, RSL or SJ.

  52. Dominghosa says:

    McBride is a stand-up guy but I don’t see him playing for non-DP money. Not a chance.

    Chicago needs to do anything it can to acquire him. Whoever the team gives up, it still will see greater returns in the bank and popularity with McBride on the team.

  53. EDB says:

    well chicago suppsidly has plenty of allocation money.. so they could in essence pay him like 600 and buy it with the allocation money to 400 or more..

  54. brett says:

    Will- of course Mo is saying that… its a business bluff… fact is that McBride is coming back to play at home… whether it be Chicago or Crew, but no other team is in the running… his brother even said “off the record” that its either Chicago or no where…

    Toronto truely has little opportunity here… if McBride wants to play at chicago, and if TFC wants anything out of it, then they’d be smart to accept the allocation for future developement… if they deny the trade and mcbride retires, then no harm no foul, except the league will be out of an american legend… the fire truely dont need him, altho we’d love to have him….

  55. Al17 says:

    Mo Johnston seemed to suggest in his comments that he was fielding offers from various teams. Why would he say that if the league was forcing him to trade with Chicago? I don’t think he’d shut up about that if it were the case.

    Posted by: Will | June 02, 2008 at 01:36 PM

    You don’t know Mo.

    Actually neither do I but his chatting about it makes all the sense in the world. Trying to get some leverage out of it. Makes perfect sense to me and if I were in his shoes, I’d do the same thing.

  56. Seth|NYC says:

    When you factor in the amount of time McBride spends injured, he should factor in medical costs in Canada vs the USA and do the math.

  57. jeff says:

    The Fire would be dumb to give up much for him. He could be another Reyna in MLS. He like Reyna has a bad hiostory of injuries and he’s like 35 or 36. I wouldnt bother with him.

  58. MikeR says:

    Conde, Marmol, Mapp and Rolfe. Toronto FC should settle for NOTHING less.

    Posted by: Tim F.”

    This is just silly. The Fire don’t need McBride. Giving up two of our best defenders and two of our best offensive players for a year and a half of McBride is just silly. I don’t have a problem with Toronto. But if they want this kind of talent for the rights to McBride, the Fire should politely say no. This isn’t a situation like NY/Conde, where NY desperately needed a defender. The Fire are doing just fine, and gutting their future for a year and a half of McBride would be ridiculous.

  59. aristotle says:

    The Fire should let well enough alone. They certainly shouldn’t try to get McBride as a DP. At his age and already having missed more than half the past season, who knows what will happen with him? I’d like to see him go to San Jose as a maximum salary player. San Jose got a real bad break with Peguerro.

  60. brett says:

    jeff- except that McBride is still a quality player even by EPL standards… but he stands the chance of coming here and floppying…there is one major difference between him and Renya (cept the obvious)… BMB will have Blanco passing to him (not to mention a thriving Chicago Fire starting XI)….

  61. brett says:

    aristotle- the thing is you wont see him in SJ even if they had the rights…. you’ll see McBride in 1 of 2 uniforms… Fire or Crew…. simple as that…. altho im guessing if a deal isnt reached by the fire, he’ll look to the Crew… if a deal isnt reached there, most likely it’ll be retirement… and i couldnt think of a player that deserves it more…

  62. KingSnake says:

    0.

    The team is winning, and don’t need him.

  63. Nathan says:

    I’d give Houston’s DP slot for Rolfe, the rights to Cervi (since Onstad is near the end and Wells got traded), and another quality player.

    Plus, I’d give you Caraccio for Nyarko. :)

  64. Joe says:

    we dont need McBride with the Fire. I would love to have him. Send Barrett or Carr to TFC and some draft picks and see if they want that. The way this league is, if the front office of the league want McBride to be in the league and he signs a contract he will be with the Fire. Its stupid but that will happen. It doesnt really matter because he wants to be with the Olympic team and he couldnt be with the Fire until July 15th anyway so its still a long way off. McBride wants to be in Chicago and Klopas wants him here so they will make it happen.

  65. MarkVA says:

    get rid of CONDE he doesn’t want to be there. they don’t really want him eating up salary cap, some how manipulate the trade to send conde to LA

  66. Mike says:

    Clone Rooney is scoring goals this year so I think we should keep him around. For all the hooplah Frankowski has been a bust. Send him to Toronto. Perhaps McBride will search his heart and realize he’s made good money during his career and play on the cheap for just half a year re-working the deal next season to put more cash in his pocket.

  67. Acme says:

    I think it’s already been said he would play for cap space money so let’s see…allocation for a player that wouldn’t play for TFC anyway.

    A draft pick or two and money and that’s a pretty dam good deal for nothing. Of course TFC could just pass and get nothing and he would go to the next team in line. Someone will get a moderate freebie bonus for sucking last year just who will it be.

  68. bangersandmash says:

    To all the folks insisting that Chicago doesn’t need to bargin with TFC for McBride if McBride wants to be a DP… that all hinges on Chicago having a DP slot available, which it doesn’t. They’d need to get Toronto’s unused DP slot. As Ives himself said:

    “So you have the Fire, which has the trade pieces to get the allocation from Toronto, but not that AND a designated player slot, and you have the Crew, which has the available designated player slot, but not the trade pieces to get the allocation from Toronto.”

    Chicago needs to bargain either way. The league will probably step in and make this easy. The idea that Toronto should get to run rampant over a twist of fate is a bit stupid (said the TFC fan). But as the rules stand, TFC has both the allocation and the DP spot that Chicago need. But this is the mls, there must be a loophole somewhere.

  69. jloome says:

    I love this assertion that just because of some past shenanigans the league is simply going to make whatever deal it wants; wake up, people, TFC’s owners are one of the richest groups in the league, and none of the other teams that make up the league ownership group have much of a vested interest in giving Chicago, already the strongest in the league this season, this much of a boost.

    What, you really think these people are so “mom, dad and apple pie” sentimental that they’re going to go against their own individual best interests with nothing to gain for it but a heroic homecoming for a 36-year-old striker?

    No, they’ll put the screws to Chicago on this one big time. And regardless of the “he’d never play in Canada!” sentiment, I guarantee you that after playing in England in front of rabid football crowds, he’d play in Toronto before he’d play in Columbus again. Plus, Toronto will pay him DP money as a striker, because that’s what they’re looking for.

    So either:

    a) He goes to Chicago, a Toronto gets a couple of good players and possible more;

    b) he plays in Canada. Boy, I bet they’d love that in Columbus.

  70. torfchamilton says:

    You can keep your Chad Barrett and take our Cunningham. It’s funny all of you Fire fans want to get rid of Barrett b/c he is shite and we want Cunningham gone b/c he is lazy and shite!!!

  71. aristotle says:

    Brett:

    I’m sure you’re right about him ending up with the Fire or Columbus. I was really just saying what I would like or thought would be best. Obviously McBride has a lot of say in where he will go. Realistically I think he will end up with Columbus.

  72. papa bear says:

    for the 90th time…

    if McBride is asking for DP money, then Chicago ONLY has to trade for the DP slot NOT the TFC allocation slot as well.

    If DP’s were subject to that then why the hell didn’t every team in the league lay a claim on Beckham, Blanco, Angel etc…? I’m sick of seeing people screw that up.

    Since it looks like it’s non-DP money, TFC isn’t in that great of a position. McBride doesn’t want to play there and all rumors have him retiring if he doesn’t get to play in Chicago so what are TFC REALLY holding? If Chicago passes they get nothing and their top slot is due to expire in half a year. Who knows if anyone else will try to come back into the league in that time.

    I’m guessing the most they’ll get is one player (Barrett or Carr most likely, MAYBE Mapp or Robinson)+ a little allocation money and a lower round draft pick.

  73. papa bear says:

    @Posted by: bangersandmash | June 02, 2008 at 10:14 PM

    yeah the loophole is there are a 8 other teams who have no DP who pretty much have no intention of using the DP for 2 years who would probably sell it for much cheaper than TFC if McBride does want DP money. So once again, what does TFC really have? Their position is much weaker than it otherwise would be in this kind of situation.

  74. brett says:

    papa bear- ive been trying to tell them this all along… IF DP was an issue we’d be able to deal with several other teams to try to find the best deal for us…

    however, as ive said MANY times before, TFC is going to have to look at the Intl’ players slots and their salary cap… if they get the likes of Barrett, Robinson and/or Mapp they’ll have to remove 2-3 intl’ players and still come up with the right amount of salary cap…

    its not as easy as “i want 2 great players and 1 good player for the allocation slot” but rather “what can we fit into our team??”

    i stand firm, they may get a good player (conde, robinson, etc…) but probably not one in the starting XI… they’ll get allocation, which is good b/c when they get a DP they can drop more allocation on another quality player that would’ve normally exceeded their cap… and probably some form of draft pick….

    dont expect too much TFC, the fire wont be willing to weaken their team as bad as you may want…

  75. Steve says:

    Relative to jloome’s post.

    I don’t know anything about Maple Leaf sports and what type of owners they are but I am pretty confident that all the owners in this league are more worried about tv ratings, attendance and jersey sales than winning at this point. And for clarity, I’m talking about league attendance.

    As an owner I’m still pretty worried about stadium situations in other cities regardless of how many seats I’m selling in my own city. COnsidering the collective bargaining agreement is up soon (likely increasing every team’s expenses) and most of the profits in sports come from media its still all about proving greater popularity and players like McBride help that.

    Hence the argument that McHead is more valuable to the league as a whole than to Chicago. Partly because they’re winning but more so because of Blanco and what he brings commercially.

    Which is why there isn’t a lot for TFC to gain by holding the Fire’s feet to the Fire.

    Especially, since with their unique roster restrictions they are proabbly going to need some help from the league in the next few year’s when Canadian nationals decide to do what McBride is doing.

  76. brett says:

    Steve- eek an arguement i havent thought of… quite an excellent point there steve… i only thought of the small picture, but the big picture (league’s growth) is quite a new avenue….

    tv ratings… how could i be so foolish to not even think of them >.<

    good points all around steve

  77. brett says:

    per Steve Davis

    “As for trade material, the men of Toyota have parts to spare. (Although the word is that Justin Mapp was among the first names requested by TFC, and the Fire probably shouldn’t go there.) But Conde? He’s a talent, for sure, one that has barely dented the lineup in ’08. Translation: he’s expendable. And TFC can use a guy like that, one who can brace a defense that’s still too leaky.”

    link to soccernet.espn.go.com

    TFC asking for Mapp??? a possible trade for Conde?? both players have been talked about in this thread… doesnt seem Davis thinks Mapp should go, but rather the Fire should use Conde as leverage… either way, it looks like TFC may in fact get a player, and unless its Mapp i dont see it being any of the starting XI…